BSN's deliver safer care than ADN's??

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Now, I am all for further education, but I think this study is skewed. I truly don't see how they have come to the conclusion that taking more courses in the humanities and other such non-nursing related courses is going to produce a more competent bedside nurse. The core nursing cirriculum for most ADN and BSN programs is quite similar in my experience. I can see where the BSN nurse may have it over the ADN in managerial type roles, but as a bedside nurse? I think lots more studies need to be done before this quick conclusion is drawn. One factor that may affect nursing in this negative way is the poor economy. Maybe it is that some people are going into nursing just because it will almost guarantee them employment and don't really want to be in nursing and therefore are not as dedicated as nurses? These people may not want to go for the BSN. I don't know...that is just something I am throwing out there because this makes no sense to me. I don't want to start the old BSN vs. ADN war, but this is news and I was wondering, what do you all think?

http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030923-050052-9024r

WASHINGTON, Sept. 23 (UPI) -- The ongoing nursing shortage in the United States has forced some hospitals to rely on nurses with less than a college education as they scramble to fill vacancies but new research suggests the practice can yield deadly consequences for patients.

The study, the first of its kind, reveals patients undergoing surgeries at hospitals where a greater proportion of nurses have obtained a bachelor's or higher degree experienced a lower rate of death than patients at hospitals where most nurses had only associate degrees.

Such findings have implications not only for patients but also for how nursing schools, hospitals and even the U.S. Congress should address the nursing shortage, Linda Aiken, a nurse and lead investigator of the study, told United Press International.

These institutions have made efforts to address the nursing shortage by facilitating the rapid training of nurses via associate degree programs, but the study indicates in the long-run the strategy might be worse for both patients and hospitals, said Aiken, who is director of the center for health outcomes and policy research at the University of Pennsylvania's School of Nursing in Philadelphia.

It underscores the need to find ways to increase the numbers of nurses graduating from bachelor degree programs, she said, noting some hospitals studied did not employ a single nurse with a bachelor's or higher degree.

In the study, which is published in the Sept. 24 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association, Aiken's team examined patient data from 168 Pennsylvania hospitals over a 19-month period beginning in 1998. They found, all other factors being equal, hospitals where 60 percent of the nurses held a bachelor's degree or higher had a 19-percent lower rate of surgical patients dying within 30 days of admission or dying from complications than hospitals where only 20 percent of nurses had higher degrees.

The authors estimate if all the hospitals in the study could meet the 60-percent, bachelor's-degree-or-higher threshold, 725 patient deaths could have been prevented over the study period.

The differences in patient mortality rates "are stunning and should make people very concerned," Geraldine Bednash, a registered nurse and executive director of the American Association of Colleges of Nursing, told UPI. "One of the first questions (patients) ought to ask people in a hospital is what is the proportion of their nurses with bachelor's degrees, and if it's not 60 percent or higher, I'd be very concerned about going into that hospital," Bednash said.

The higher rate of patient deaths associated with lower education level is compounded by the fact that "all of the federal government's projections about the nursing shortage over the past decade have not only projected a shortage of nurses but a severe shortage of baccalaureate degreed nurses," Aiken said. At present, less than half of all hospital staff nurses across the nation hold bachelor's degrees or higher.

"Policymakers seem to think we just need to get nurses out fast," but that is not good for hospitals or patients, Bednash said, suggesting legislators should focus on developing ways to produce more nurses with bachelor degrees because "it makes a difference in people's care and whether or not they live or die."

President George W. Bush signed the Nurse Reinvestment Act into law in 2002 in an effort to remedy the nursing shortage and Congress will likely authorize no more than $163 million for fiscal year 2004. But this falls far short of the $250 million the American Association of Colleges of Nursing estimated would be needed to address the problem.

"To date, we've had mostly a symbolic response from Congress," Aiken said, noting the money the legislative body has appropriated is "not a sufficient amount to close the nursing shortage."

Hospitals also have a role to play in addressing the problem, however, Aiken continued. They should "subsidize continued education to the nurses because there is a return to the hospital in terms of greater productivity and better patient outcomes," she said. But many hospitals do not seem to recognize the value of more education in their nurse because many have discontinued tuition reimbursement programs to help their nurses obtain bachelor's or advanced degrees, she said.

Aiken also noted the study found nursing experience was not associated with lower mortality rates of patients. "It's the educational level that's important and experience alone cannot achieve the same level of benefit for the patient as education plus experience," she said.

Joan Hrubetz, dean of the school of nursing at Saint Louis University, said as medical treatments become even more sophisticated, hospitals "will need nurses with advanced education to be able to deal with the kinds of treatments and diagnostics" that likely would be developed in the era of genetics and molecular-based medicine. "I don't think there's any question we need better trained nurses," Hrubetz told UPI.

Nevertheless, hospitals appear to be reluctant to make any changes based on this single study.

"Hospitals are very interested in studies such as this ... but it really needs to have further studies done because this really only represents one state," Rita Turley, president of the American Organization of Nurse Executives -- a subsidiary of the American Hospital Association -- told UPI.

The good news is although enrollment rates in baccalaureate nursing programs had been down over the past decade, they now appear to be on the rise. In addition, many schools are offering rapid training programs, in which holders of bachelor degrees in other fields can obtain a bachelor's degree in nursing in approximately one year, which may help increase the number of people joining the nursing profession.

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Here we go again with the "BSN vs ADN" issue. Which is better and which one do we call a "professional". What a joke! This should stop before it goes on another rediculous tangent.

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I wasn't saying one is better than the other. I was actually trying to level the playing field. I think it's a personal choice and one that is decided with such factors as time and money. I would never say that my education is better than someone with a BSN and I would hope that a BSN student would not say they are better educated than myself.

This topic is not ridiculous. Excuse me, don't want to sound rude but what is ridiculous is the apparent complete lack of understanding or utter disbelief of how this education issue feeds into the current nursing problems. It is very discouraging to hear nurses say this topic is ridiculous and then follow with the justfiations and rationalizations that are examples of the attitude that contributes to the problems in nursing today. I just simply don't understand how you can think this way and fail to see the connection between the two..

Sorry, last comment on this.

How can we ever expect to be treated with the respect that a professional receives if we do not require our nurses to be educated as professionals.

I am sorry but 1, 2, 3 year degrees do not constitute a professional education for a healthcare provider. Doesn't mean they don't give good clnical nursing care.

Do you think we should require paramedics to hold a Bachelor or a Masters as well? Do you think they arent professionals?

Higher degree = higher pay usually, but it doesnt in nursing.. so where is the incentive? Why would I, as a student, pick a 20,000 dollar BSN program that takes 4-5years when I can take a 800 dollar ADN program, be done in 3 years, and get the same job, and the same pay?

It is very sad and unfortunate that our own profession does not even recognize and reward higher education.

The laws of economics apply as well and so does the law of nature in terms of the path of least resistance. I also did the ADN because it was cheaper and easier. We damage ourselves in our quest for higher pay and better conditions when we remain trapped in the ranks of paid by the hour quasi-professionals. It has an insidious, subtle, effect overall on nursing as a whole when we do not aggressively promote and require higher education and continually raise our standards.

I would suggest pulling out our old sociology books and re-reading the definition of a profession.

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ainz, your just insulting to think your degree makes you any more professional than anyone on this board. This is what I find utterly ridiculous and for one wished this thread would just die a slow and agonizing death.

I think the point is that higher education is expected of most professionals, like doctors and lawyers, so why shouldn't it be expected of nurses. I don't think the point was to say "I am better than you, nyaah nyaaah"

Sorry you think I am insulting. You really don't know me. My best interest is in the men and women that work in our hosptals. I see them everyday struggling with their workload, tired, overwhelmed, working very hard and trying to do an excellent job. Our staff works their fingers to the bone every single day. I walk the floors and talk to them, I put on a gown and gloves and help them (an yes I wear a suit to work). I remember and know what it is lke to have more to do than you can possiby get done and go home hoping you did everythng and didn't foget something really important or make a bad mistake as you lay in bed with feet kiling you trying to fall asleep. Top it off with some insensitive and rude comment a manager or administrative type made to you that you can't get out of your head because it genuinely hurts your feelings.

My work has to have meaning to me so I take it very seriously, ask my wife, I drive her crazy talking about what can be done to improve nursing.

I do not think my degree makes me more professional than anyone. I believe we use the term "professional" to describe certain behaviors that do not require higher education. To BE a member of a profession requires things like autonomy, independent judgment, billing for your own services, self-regulating, and higher education. Nursing has many of these characteristics but lacks a few key pieces, higher education being one of them. Academicians and doctoral types can be pretty snobby at times about this and so can MDs. It will greatly benefit everyone in nursing if we raise our educational standards. It is not about ADN versus BSN and which is better, that is small thinking. It is about moving nursing into the realm of a true profession, there is no judgment of people in this.

Originally posted by fergus51

I think the point is that higher education is expected of most professionals, like doctors and lawyers, so why shouldn't it be expected of nurses. I don't think the point was to say "I am better than you, nyaah nyaaah"

If it is to be expected of nursing, we should expect our pay to be raised as well. A nurse with a Ph.D/MSN/NP..etc.. has the same or more education as an M.D. but will recieve less respect and pay. An R.N., M.S.N. working at the bedside would recieve the same as an R.N., A.D.N. so were is the incentive to go up and grab that next degree.. when all it does is COST money.:rolleyes:

I don't think PhD or MSN or NP nurses receive the same amount or the same type of education as an MD. The way MDs are paid greatly contibutes to the fact they make more--they are generally not employees of the hospital. Those that are employees still make more money because of the market conditions associated with paying MDs. My point exactly as to why nurses should be removed from the hospital payroll and be paid directly.

This is very frustrating. To be a professional implies higher education and the ability to think globally, see the big picture, and usually requires a high degree of maturity of some type in order to fulfill the commitment it takes to finish school. Delaying one's graification also is a factor. Obviously many nurses do not comprehend these things.

OK, I am done with this.

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Snowie...where on earth are you taking an $800 ADN program????? Wow...my tuition just for the first semester of a 4 semester program was $700, give or take a few bucks. Add the $600 for my books and that brings the total up to approx. $1300 for one semester.

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