The Unwritten Laws Nurse Managers Live By - page 2

1. Always believe the worst about your subordinates, no matter how glowing a reputation or history of competence they may have. Never give anybody the benefit of the doubt. 2. Never praise or give an "attaboy", and always... Read More

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    Gonna go part time as soon as I can and go for my DNP as soon as possible. I don't really want to leave because I love my specialty and the majority of my coworkers are like family. But I can't do this floor nursing thing for another ten years, and I am itching to move up. So for the time being, I will just avoid her and hopefully she will just avoid me. It is frustrating to never hear anything about the good things you do, only the mistakes.
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    I am sure there is a lot of pressure---as my mother who was a longtime upper management executive at hospitals tells me---but it does seem to me that it is only a certain type of person who wants to be in management, and that is a person who is on a power trip. Just my experience, not saying ALL nurse managers are like this, but I can only comment about that which I have known
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    Quote from grntea
    the other thing to realize is that while managers have been staff, most staff have never been management, and they really have no idea about the pressures that mean manager is under from the higher-ups.
    you can say that again!!! we catch crap from both sides---the executives over us, and the staff under us.

    i do remember what it was like to be staff, and have always treated my subordinates with as much fairness and patience as i can manage. there are times, however, when i just want to throttle someone for being when i hear mutterings like "she doesn't do any real work, just sits at the computer all day doing paperwork". they have no idea.
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    sad to say that this IS the kind of managment I have come across in the ppast 15 years and in the past 7years they have only become worse- more critical and more sould murdering than ever. It's not about numbers. It's about mean. The Leona Helmsley School of Managment. Shrew, psychotic, mean, cruel, ugly to the bone, should have their kids taken from them! The kind of person one has no respect for, kick to the curb and spit on them. Sorry, but I have always been one to tell it like I see it. Fear and respect are 2 very different things- these managers of today don't know the difference. I can understand busy at the computer and paperwork but I can't understand insulting, mean and cruelity. There is a way to conduct oneself and for the most part today - that is not being done. especially in the managmwent of these hospitals. it truely is a power trip- may impress the North Korean communists but not American staff nurses.

    Since I am an older nurse over 50, you know, one of 'those' nurses that they don't want in nursing anymore; and since I have had to keep employed in nursing with temp positions, usually not of the clinical nature, I have had the opportunity to see other nursing venues. I know what examples I am seeing. It's not flattering.
    Last edit by kcmylorn on Jul 10, '12
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    Quote from rntj
    it does seem to me that it is only a certain type of person who wants to be in management, and that is a person who is on a power trip.
    I don't agree only that type of person is attracted to management, but unfortunately, positions of authority are good places for people on power trips to play out their fantasies. People sometimes want to be police officers for that reason, but at least there is some attempt to weed out unbalanced people. In most corporate management, including nursing management, there usually only the employment interview, and if the job is obtained through internal promotion, not even that.

    It's hard for upper management to quantify what makes a poor manager. Patients fill out satisfaction surveys to rate their nursing care. Who fills out surveys that rate a manager's acumen? Not the people who every day observe the results of the manager's action.

    I've worked in high tech, and in general, especially in smaller companies, the management chain is far less formal than that of a hospital. It's as if hospitals haven't changed in structure in the past hundred years, other than the proliferation of spreadsheets and powerpoints.
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    Exactly. Living this dream (nightmare) myself.
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    Ouch...hurtful to hear that nurses believe that all nursing management might behave that way. I certainly have experienced some bad managers myself, but over the years have had more good nurse managers than bad nurse managers.

    Personally, I do not think that I went into management because I am on a power trip. I like management because of the challenge. I will admit to being fairly critical of poor management styles...

    Good communication is essential to good management. Bad manager + bad communication = horrible boss.
    Bad manager + good communication = bad boss. Good manager + bad communication = struggling boss. Good manager + good communication = good boss
    Last edit by tewdles on Jul 10, '12 : Reason: arrgh spacing
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    I love that part about customer service. I always make it a point to snootily point out at staff meetings, "But I love our residents/patients! They aren't customers!" just to tick off our administrator.

    Then she gives me this look, like I just mortally wounded her favorite cat and then goes on to talk about how all the nurses should supervise patients/residents at all times who are out on a smoke break.

    I hope when I'm old I don't end up like her.
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    Wow- the original post is just sad. My OM is great- very communicative, and in a good way. Sorry you've had such bad experiences.

    ETA- I just finished a different healthcare career where I was a supervisor. It sucks. I wouldn't judge too harshly unless you've been in those shoes. I had the best intentions, and my employees just sucked all the life out of me.
    Last edit by dandk1997RN on Jul 10, '12 : Reason: typo, too!
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    Yikes, that's scary and I hope all hospitals aren't like that!

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