Young, Thin, and Cute New Hires - page 5

My workplace, a freestanding specialty hospital owned by a for-profit corporation that operates multiple facilities across the United States, has been having recent troubles with low Press Ganey patient satisfaction scores. This... Read More

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    At least nobody has said "you're just jealous of us"* yet, have they? (kidding!) I really admire the way you take on controversial subjects Commuter, I thought it was fair. Just want to throw in a related item from a while back.

    It's a new video nurse hiring agency! "FaceRecruiters" -well at least they don't beat around the bush with the title. Anyway it landed with a resounding thud here amongst the population. Here are a couple of the "sample profiles"



    the AN thread - FaceRecruiters...New Innovative Way to Find a Job

    *I was wrong somebody did say it.
    Last edit by nursel56 on Feb 28, '13 : Reason: revise and extend my previous remarks
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    Well......this has turned into quite the discussion.

    Here's what I think.

    I know that once I was 24 years old......bright, energetic, ambitious, intelligent. But I am KIND, patient and respectful. I got laid off at age 49 to find that I could not find a job. I think that being told that after 34 years at the bedside that I was over qualified for positions, not a good fit for the position, not quite what they were looking for....blah, blah, blah.....while all acceptable excuses .....where just that excuses. I was put to pasture so I can't mentor the new nurses coming along...pass on what I know so that the next generation can nurture the next.

    It is my belief that is what has lead us to here......bickering back and forth...sniping at one another. Disrespectful and mean spirited. Intolerant to suggestions or change....depending on ones point of view. Young and old alike. experienced and inexperienced.

    After 34 years of bedside experience (I stayed there because I love my patients, I always have) in a critical care setting and the emergency room to be told I wasn't qualified for a home based phone triage job is absolute crap. But what can one do? Can you prove it was because of my age? Start your cover letter with.....I'm 50 and I'm desperate....I'll take a pay cut.....somehow sounds pitiful. Sigh......It is what it is. So AN allows me to grace her pages where I spend my time mentoring and teaching those coming into this world because it means I'm trying my small little part to save what I love.....nursing.

    I think that those who are 24 years old now will be 50 years old someday and will be right where I am now.....how acceptable will it be then when you are still paying student loans with 2 kids in college to be put to pasture....well..... just because you can't possibly be good enough any more to be at the bedside.....I mean really, you'll be 50 years old right? No where near as good as the new nurse with 2 years experience and hundreds of codes under their belt .....I mean they have multiple certifications...right?

    Remember whoever you step on on the way up you will meet on the way down. Karma is some serious energy. YOU will reap what you sow.

    While the new grads can't find jobs because there is no one to mentor them. How many time have I heard that there is no mentoring opportunities, that new grads are drowning and over whelmed, that they aren't being mentored...it's because we, the old bats out to pasture, are not there. I am forever in gratitude to all those experienced nurse who nurtured me and taught me.....who turned me into a real nurse from a brash, really smart, snot nosed 18 year old with more "knowledge" than common sense.....more energy and guts, than patience and caution.

    What I believe is that one can be bright and beautiful at 24......for that was me. What I knew at 24 is nothing in comparison to what I know now. While I respect every single 24 year old.....there is NO WAY possible for the nurse to be anywhere near as experienced as I, regardless of their hundreds of certifications, in my field of expertise....critical care, emergency medicine, trauma flight. In my 34 years of nursing I can't count the number of codes that I have responded to and participated in.....but even I know that there is always something to learn that can better me as a nurse for my patients. Humility and patience.

    I don'/t think commuter was commenting on young nurses....but the motivation behind her employer in the hiring of these nurses. Did this employer look specifically for young pretty intelligent nurses to be an asset to the staff and the patient in a more positive outcome? Or to fulfill some quota or idea that this will lead to better scores to that they have a pretty package but lack content.

    I think it is the latter.

    All these issues....ADN, BSN, MSN,NP, DNP.....I am not against furthering the education level of nursing. I am against the disrespect of fellow nurses that have the bedside chops to nurse with the degree into a corner. I am against the ADN nurses busting the chops of the BSN for lack of experience.....ALL NEW GRADS HAVE NO EXPERIENCE.

    I think we need to listen to each other and be kind to each other......join together in one voice for in one voice we could be quite loud and affect change.

    I think we need to be respectful of each other and each other opinion and if we disagree we show our education and emotional maturity but being polite.
    Last edit by Esme12 on Feb 28, '13
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    Quote from nursel56
    At least nobody has said "you're just jealous of us" yet, have they? (kidding!) I really admire the way you take on controversial subjects Commuter, I thought it was fair. Just want to throw in a related item from a while back.

    It's a new video nurse hiring agency! "FaceRecruiters" -well at least they don't beat around the bush with the title. Anyway it landed with a resounding thud here amongst the population. Here are a couple of the "sample profiles"



    the AN thread - FaceRecruiters...New Innovative Way to Find a Job
    All I ahve to say is......wow....I am worried......you can look however you wish if you are clean and smart.

    I once again sit here shaking my head.
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    Esme12 I don't see alot of bickering. To me it's healthy debate within AN's rules. I've enjoyed reading every comment on this post and I've learned a few things. The OP didn't refer to new grads; she specifically stated that her facility won't hire new grads because of the cost to orient them.

    I believe that, once we show up for work, wherever that may be, we all have The Patient's welfare premium and prominent. Who has time for differences of opinion once we're on the floor?

    That's why this site (AN) is so beautiful. It allows us to be united even when we disagree.
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    Quote from multi10
    Esme12 I don't see alot of bickering. To me it's healthy debate within AN's rules. I've enjoyed reading every comment on this post and I've learned a few things. The OP didn't refer to new grads; she specifically stated that her facility won't hire new grads because of the cost to orient them.

    I believe that, once we show up for work, wherever that may be, we all have The Patient's welfare premium and prominent. Who has time for differences of opinion once we're on the floor?

    That's why this site (AN) is so beautiful. It allows us to be united even when we disagree.
    I couldn't agree more........my reference to "bickering" was a general statement and not one pointed to this thread.
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    You hit the nail right on the head, as usual, Commuter! I always enjoy reading your articles
    mc3
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    Quote from Esme12
    I think we need to listen to each other and be kind to each other......join together in one voice for in one voice we could be quite loud and affect change.
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    Quote from Jenni811
    Heck yes it sounds ignorant. But my point of making it sound ignorant was beause the OP sounded just as ignorant as i did degrading young/new nurses. So how come an older more experienced nurse can sound ignorant but i can't? should i light the fire and say "we shouldn't hire over weight nurses?" how is that any different than saying we need to stop hiring young/new/cute nurses because that is what she was implying. So if she can get away with saying that, tahn i can get away with "We need to stop hiring overweight nures" (I certainly do not think that at all im just using an example that really gets to people so they can relate)

    I never said those were my only qualifications. codes do not scare me. I have ACLS and have been in lots of codes. We have one telemetry nurse delegated to carry the code pager and i have to code pager from time to time. Times have changed, and all i can say is that from a BUSINESS stand point it is a smart move. Think about it in more simpe terms...you run open a pizza shop you chose between two people:
    1) a 50 year old with excellent skills, really good at making pizza. Years of experience, maybe more t than you. The 50 year old is demanding you pay 15/hour.
    2) a 24 year old with developing skills. He/she is eager to learn from your already hired employees. They are great with customers. They are ok with miniumum wage.

    I know this isn't pizza we're talking about. But i would go with the 24 year old? Is there a little ageism with nursing?? you betcha!! Would hospitals admit it? nope. They are going to think of any excuse other than the nurses age. Yea it will suck when that time comes for me, but it isn't about me.
    Yes, but who is the 24 year old going to learn from, when the 50 year old isn't there? Another 24 yr old???

    just saying...........

    mc3
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    This post reeks of reverse ageism. You said yourself that the hospital is probably hiring with cost-consciousness in mind so new RNs who are not recent grads are the ideal.

    I think it's insulting to the new hires that you've reduced their attributes to "cute and thin." Even if the nurses are disproportionately attractive, you sound opposed to their appearance and thus prejudiced.
    It's a leap in logic to assume that this perceived trend was intentionally done by management to increase Press-Ganey scores.
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    Quote from Susie2310
    Jenni811, you mentioned that you are 24. Everything is much simpler when you are 24.

    Another superb example of ageism.
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