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- Quote from Jenni811Trust me when i say this, when you are sick and in the hospital the last thing you care about is how your nurse looks. yes there are the few exceptions but i'm talking in general.
Its all in your head...get over it.
But I don't know if it's all in anyone's head. It is the way of the world right now. They are cheaper than more experienced nurses, and I can see commuter's point.
More proof that nursing is NOT viewed as a profession. It's utter BS.
- Feb 28 by CampNurse1Of course it is about money. That is not a crime. It is for all of us. Who here works for free? The point being missed is how places are managed. Great managers use their resources to provide a superior product at a fair price. In nursing, we cannot provide a superior product without superior people. Nurses have to be nurtured. Great managers do not tolerate any "isms" or horizontal violence, or anything else that promotes a hostile environment. When I was a staff nurse, I used to think, "Man, managers got it made, they don't have to put up with the @#$% I do." As a manager, I chuckle when I find myself thinking, "Man, I wish I was a staff nurse, they don't have to put up with the @#$% I do." I do not think I am a great manager, but I do take care of my nurses, and I make sure they have what they need to deliver great care. If my employer ever stops letting me do those two things, I will move on pronto.
Press Ganey is complicated! There is no getting around the link between perception and outcome. If a client's perception is poor, perhaps because of a rude staff member, chances are that client's outcome will not be optimal. It just works that way. If a patient's perception is poor, and you can tell, because they are just plain ignorant, they need some gentle education that brings them into the loop. If we give up on a client because we believe they are too dumb, or something else, we are now taking away their role on the health care team. Perception, and outcome, will be poor, because they feel left out. On the other side of the coin, good perception is possible even when the outcome is poor. This is when the care is compassionate, and inclusive.
Managers that think cute young nurses are going to improve Press Ganey are nuts! I guess they got the idea at some cookie cutter seminar. I agree that nurses should be attractive. Now, before you kill me, let me tell you what I believe is an attractive nurse: A nurse that provides brainy, competent care, who offers self, and who makes me feel cared about, as well as cared for. That, my friends, is a sight for sore eyes. Our patients agree.
- Feb 28 by Marshall1Wow..just wow to a lot of what's posted on here...40 is old, egos are very high, and yet..I can't figure out why models with IQ's that rival Einstein would go into nursing...unless I missed it I didn't see anything on here about the patients..just money, business and young versus old......certainly healthcare is a business, money/costs of staff come into play..it could be argued that younger nurses cost more with being out of work due to pregnancy, childcare issues, stress..but others will say its the older ones that cost time/money..in the end people the hospitals - especially the for profit ones - aren't going to care if you are 20, 40 or 60, fat, thin. black, white, male, female, etc. They are going to only care that you show up, take care of the 8 sometimes more patients that you are assigned even if you are drowning in paperwork and do all this will a smile on your face and no complaint because in reality, there are more nurses looking for jobs than not - we are a dime a dozen in this economy and ANY of us can be replaced in a second.
No matter what our certifications, experience, etc.
- Feb 28 by Jenni811Quote from jadelpnThe ego that comes off on this post is overshadowing a great deal of your points. "having certifications you have never heard of" and "superior computer skills" of that of a 50 year old is telling. It is lovely that you are so certified and computer literate and "already training to be a charge nurse" but something to think about-- you are ignoring the moon to count the stars. When the poop hits the fan and you have a patient crumping, critical thinking under pressure is the most important quality. And that is learned by a more experienced nurse. And when someone is coding, they certainly don't think about kumbya moments, or how awesome one's hair looks when they are doing compressions. And no one smiles at a code. You can have 152 certifications, but unless one practices them, they are not worth the paper they are printed on. And rescue Annie and plastic appendages and power point presentations are not akin to the real thing in real life. No matter what they tell you. If your orientee is not a new grad, then by all means, learn from her and each "older" member of your team. Because when it gets down to the REAL reason we are all at work, experience DOES matter. And I have never heard a patient's family say WELLLLL that code didn't go so well, but gee whiz the nurse was sooooo bubbly, like a fresh spring day!!!!!
Heck yes it sounds ignorant. But my point of making it sound ignorant was beause the OP sounded just as ignorant as i did degrading young/new nurses. So how come an older more experienced nurse can sound ignorant but i can't? should i light the fire and say "we shouldn't hire over weight nurses?" how is that any different than saying we need to stop hiring young/new/cute nurses because that is what she was implying. So if she can get away with saying that, tahn i can get away with "We need to stop hiring overweight nures" (I certainly do not think that at all im just using an example that really gets to people so they can relate)
I never said those were my only qualifications. codes do not scare me. I have ACLS and have been in lots of codes. We have one telemetry nurse delegated to carry the code pager and i have to code pager from time to time. Times have changed, and all i can say is that from a BUSINESS stand point it is a smart move. Think about it in more simpe terms...you run open a pizza shop you chose between two people:
1) a 50 year old with excellent skills, really good at making pizza. Years of experience, maybe more t than you. The 50 year old is demanding you pay 15/hour.
2) a 24 year old with developing skills. He/she is eager to learn from your already hired employees. They are great with customers. They are ok with miniumum wage.
I know this isn't pizza we're talking about. But i would go with the 24 year old? Is there a little ageism with nursing?? you betcha!! Would hospitals admit it? nope. They are going to think of any excuse other than the nurses age. Yea it will suck when that time comes for me, but it isn't about me.
- Feb 28 by Jenni811Quote from DeBerhamTHANK YOU!!! seeing my point. It isn't the nurses "looks" its about the money. Im surprised for all the "experience" you people have you don't see that all hospitals care about is $$$$$. get to know these new people and see beyond their looks.Jenni811 hit the nail on the head, it's about $$$. Shockingly, inexperienced nurses (those with 1-3 years of experience) are cheaper to hire than an experienced nurse. Additionally, those coming out of nursing school are typically young and attractive as 22 to 25 year old females are apt to be. What I'll also say is that as a male I never had to deal with the garbage that the more... experienced... nurses dealt out to these new grads. That isn't to say I didn't hear about it, probably since I wasn't viewed as any type of threat to the pecking order. I even had one nurse tell me that the nurse manager was purposefully hiring attractive people to work the floor. That made me chuckle a little bit. What I'd suggest is to get over it. NOTHING good will come from being so superficial. Is it their fault that they're attractive? No. Is it their fault that they are young? No. Are you liable to let your jealousy over SUPERFICIAL things ruin some potential relationships? Yes. If you see that they are not acclimating the the job/culture (ie cell phone use while patients need something) let them know. I'll say though that you may need an attitude adjustment just as much as these new nurses because your feelings will translate in to actions in how you treat/interact with them... and then we'll get to read new posts about how we continue to eat our young.
Just because someone is young/beauitful does not mean they don't have brains or that they can't offer the company something. You can be beautiful and smart at the same time believe it or not.
- Feb 28 by FlorenceNtheMachineQuote from HouTxSo for those barely competent nurses, who squeaked by for so long, check them! Management should have their pick of the litter, so to speak. So replace them with someone who is more of an expert in their field. In my area, there are thousands of applications each month for dozens of open positions.Increased age does NOT automatically result in expertise. I have encountered way too many 'experienced' nurses that are barely squeeking by (competence-wise).
I'm all about survival of the fittest (fittest=intelligent, competent)! But we need to let go of all preconceived notions about who that may be.
- Feb 28 by multi10OP, so where are all the 24-year-olds supposed to go? They successfully completed school and passed nursing boards. They are the future and deserve a chance. As others noted, young(er) nurses are generally thinner, more attractive, and more enthusiastic than older nurses. And, for the most part, they are eager to learn.
They are not new grads straight out of school, right? They are arriving from a former nursing job so that means your facility checked their references, etc.
Bedside nursing can take a heavy toll over the years in terms of our looks, mobility, people skills and attitude.
Also, I don't think it's so much a function of being young and cute. The patient and/or family expects and appreciates a competent, knowledgeable, respectful, well-groomed nurse.Last edit by multi10 on Feb 28