i've been working my first rn job ever at a large nyc hospital for 10 weeks now, and along with the other new hires (6 of us in total, high turnover rate), am starting to dread coming to work because of the nurse manager, assistant nurse manager, and the nurse educator-- we work 8pm-8am and the nursing leadership has no problem expecting us to stay on the unit until 10am so they can hold various miscellaneous meetings after we give change-of-shift report. these meetings are usually along the lines of discussing goals for the year/ going over guidelines for the upcoming joint commission inspection, or some other sort of nurse education-- the nurse educator loves to pull us aside individually after change of shift report to discuss specific patients' nursing diagnoses, interventions, and care plans
, oh- and go through every word of our nursing notes as well. (i mean, i get that this stuff is important, but at 9am? 10am?) i find myself trying to hide when 8am rolls around so the educator can't single me out...
our nursing dept is not unionized, and we don't get a single penny for anything over 12 hours, regardless of how long we stay. to add to the torture, they never give more than 12 hours advance notice on these meetings, (9 times out of 10 they just interrupt my change of shift report at 8:15 am to let me know i am expected in the nurse manager's office at 8:45). basically, i feel like my after-work schedule is completely out of my control, and completely at their disposal. is this acceptable??? from a human resources/labor law perspective??
i've talked to senior nurses on the unit and they say this is how all nurses on the unit are treated. some nurses have even told me that the manager has sent them to a ventilation or mock code class right after night shift so they're stuck in the hospital until noon!!! even worse, the managers and educator just come across as incredibly rude, and unkind, and -- not once has anyone ever apologized to me for interrupting shift report, or expressed sympathy for keeping me late. they speak to all of us new grads as if we are children, not co-workers. everything they say comes with a glare, and they are always short with us, interrupting us mid-sentence if we ever have anything to say. i have no problem with comments/criticism/education, but not when it's presented in an unprofessional manner. it's not like i've ever done anything to harm a patient that warranted being talked-down to... i know i look probably 22 years old, but i have been out of college for 5 years (i am an accelerated grad). most my time after college was spent working in an office environment... these nurse "leaders" would all be sent to hr if they ever treated another co-worker like this in the corporate world. one of the other new grads is also losing patience with the nursing leadership and we are thinking about going to the hospital's hr together to voice our concerns... anyone have a similar experience??
May 19, '12
by Esme12, ASN, BSN, RN Senior Moderator
First find out if you are an hourly employee. If you are they have to pay you for time worked. Because it is classroom it may not be OT but they must pay you your base rate for time worked. If they dock you for being late they have documented you as an hourly employee. Go to HR. Talk to your boss. Start looking for another job for their action of treating employees so poor is why they have such a high turn over.
I am sure with their anxiety is in direct correlation to their JC visit and probable past citing from the JC. I'll bet they haven't done well in the past and their nightmare has come true.....The JC is coming with new grads in the house and charts to audit. I would love to be a fly on the wall.....
Nursing is not like any other professions. It never has been but lately........it has become such an adversarial atmosphere it's sad. The administration, managers, HRs are getting away with murder these days.They are in the position of power right now and they are taking full advantage in all it's brutality. Most nurse managers aren't trained in management anymore....nor are they experienced in nursing per se anymore. They are hiring "yes men" and degrees....not talent and true educators.
It is not uncommon that after midnights that there are classes and things you have to attend. For nursing being a 24/7profession in its entire history they are the most intolerant, uncompromising, and ignorant of the shift worker. I would tell them that you are feeling unsafe and that you are fearful of causing an accident and hurting someone due to your fatigue at being kept past your "clock out time". You are actually lucky and don't need to belong to a union to be protected by the law the Union fought for.
Just because they aren't keeping tract of it and saying the words mandated OT.....doesn't mean they aren't in violation of the law.
Mandatory Overtime for Nurses
The Restrictions on Consecutive Hours of Work for Nurses Law, Section 167 of the Labor Law, went into effect on July 1, 2009.
Section 167 of the Labor Law:
- Prohibits health care employers from mandating overtime for nurses
- Stipulates the conditions for exceptions to this rule
The New York State Department of Labor enforces this law
The final regulations governing mandatory nurse overtime became effective October 12, 2011. To review the regulations please visit the Legal
section of the Department's website. Frequently asked questions about the law and regulations are here (open in a new window)
You may file a complaint with the Department of Labor IF
- You believe that your employer forced you to work in violation of the law
This link will open up the necessary complaint form
for you to print.
Mandatory Overtime for Nurses - New York State Department of Labor
Unfortunately, this is the new brutality....I mean reality of nursing.....sad really.
On the flipside of the coin.....the first year is always the hardest.
Last edit by Esme12 on May 19, '12