Why do so many people insist that LPN'S AREN'T REAL NURSES!!?? - page 7
I mean, the title does have "Nurse" in it.So why are so many people insisting that LPN's arent real nurses? When I go to the hospital, I see these people giving medication , care, comfort and other... Read More
Sep 17, '06I had to look it up.
It seems a "dental nurse" is called a "dental assistant" in California:
They are not licensed, they do not function independently. The supervising dentist is responsible for knowing their competency.
If I'm not mistaken it is similar to a medical assistant. In California ONLY a registered nurse (RN) or licensed vocational nurse (LVN) may be referred to as a nurse.
A Dental hygienist is licensed with similar education options as RNs. They clean teeth, teach, administer ordered medications and teach.
Sep 17, '06I honestly don't know too much about phasing out LPNs, but in my area I would not get hired in my desired area with only an LPN. It's just a fact. It honestly seems like you need a BSN to do anything at this point.
It seems that LPNs are forced in to LTC facilities around here.
Sep 17, '06Quote from caroladybelleI agree. Thank you for saying so!Please do not denigrate another health care profession, in an attempt to elevate nurses. Physical therapy has its own challenges, and the PTA programs teach a lot more that "walking patients around the unit or exercising".
Saying that PTAs just walk people is like saying that nurses just hand out pills willy nilly,per the MD orders.
Sep 17, '06Have to say this same vein of discussion exists in a lot of health care professions. I have heard the LVN phase out rumor just as I have heard they are getting rid of EMT-Intermediates (don't exist everywhere) and everyone will need to be a paramedic. The public either compare EMT's as ambulance drivers or have watched too much TLC and thinks everyone is a paramedic. LVN's provide a valuable service and definitely runn rings around many new RN grads. here in OKlahoma they do primarily long term though there are one or two in the ER and several in each department excepting OB at the small hospital here in our town. That all being said, most metro areas in this state do not use LVN's in the hospital setting, messes up their clinical ladder I guess. I say hooray for LVN's, we can not do this without them. Incidentally, 2 semester program at the votech in Oklahoma as is a medical assistant. The healthcare director at the vo tech here told me they train the MA's to work in dr's office/clinic and LVN's for floor work and warn them that LTC will pay better around here than at the hospital.
Sep 18, '06Quote from Stella-OhioBless your heart!:wink2: What a nice, supportive post yours was---thank you--I especialy like your last statement. I haven't encountered too many negative comments toward me as an LPN but when I do, I hasten to also add my additional education (BS, Psych)---guess I feel I HAVE to (which is sad).Lowly paid nurses, Licensed Pathetic Nurses, Limited Practice Nurses, etc etc. Whatever you want to call them , I love them. They got me through my first year, continue to be my best friends, and gave me great job references when I left.
I learned quickly what the different technical aspects were of our licensing (the biggest came down to central lines and iv pushes). I developed a very open relationship with the LPN's on nights where they would come to me with the things they were unlicensed to do and in exchange I could ask them to do just about anything for me anytime. They really hated always having to beg an RN to do something for them prior to me being hired. I just made myself available to them.
They really bailed me out a few times as I was on a serious learning curve being new. These LPN's all had 16-30 years experience where my experience was counted in days/weeks/finally in months. None ever hesitated to help me as I never hesitated to help them.
With this I found that their school also taught a whole different type of approach to nursing. RN school is very technical. They try to teach about caregiving etc, but the LPN school here really digs in on a personal level and these nurses have a whole different mindset about the patient that the RN's just dont' get. (It's a bedside manner thing that I can't find the words to explain)
The other thing the LPN's never seem to have is an 'attitude'. They aren't afraid to ask for help, they never act better than anybody, and they are really just down to earth friendly people. Is it any wonder I got along best with them?
Other RN's would gripe when they were put in 'charge of ALL the patients' because they were assigned to nights with only LPN's. It is true that I had to learn what I was responsible for regarding the LPN's patients but the truth was, she was caregiving on her own license. I told my manager that she could assign me with the LPN's anytime.
Perhaps they are Life's Perfect Nurses.
Sep 20, '06I have begun the second year of my ADN program. We have the chance to take our LPN boards at the end of our first year of the program. Last spring in clinicals I had the opportunity to work with a wonderful nurse, an LPN, in a long term care setting. I made the comment that, at the end of my first year, I was "half a nurse." Too late, I realized how that must have sounded to the nurses that were listening to us students. I have since taken my LPN boards and am now working as an LPN while finishing school.
It is HARD work. I have a new respect for all nurses, LPNs or RNs for the jobs they do - no matter what letters they have behind their names. When I was a CNA, I used to think that all the nurses did was to pass a few meds and sit on their butts and chart a little. I thought the nurses aids did ALL the work. And they DO work very hard. But so do the nurses. I have told all the nurses that I used to work with what I used to think and what I think now. LPNs are "whole" nurses, too!
Sep 20, '06I teach LPNs, and quite frankly, when a pt. puts on the NURSE call button, I have never, in over 30 years, heard one of them inquire about what level of educational preparation we have. Instead, they sigh in relief when they hear "I am your nurse" and know we are there to help, because we care.
Sep 20, '06I am in Canada and I am an RPN (LPN equivalent). Where I work, I am the daytime charge nurse for a locked unit. I am the one who runs the unit, I do all the paperwork, vitals, assessments etc etc etc. I also supervise the PSW's (formerly known as health care aids). There is an RN in the building in case of an emergency that is beyond my scope but I also am the one sending someone to ER if I need to and then informing the RN later.
I saw on one post that the LPN's weren't giving narcotics. I give those also. I can also take extra courses to get my license for venipuncture, IM injections, tracheostomy care etc.
I am treated like a 'real nurse' but I've heard the argument before. The families of the people I work with don't even know which one of us are RN's or RPN's and I haven't been asked by one yet.
Why don't I go back and get my RN? I'd love to, not because I'm not 'good enough' as I am but because I love learning, however I cannot afford more loans or to be off work that long as I have two small children. The extra pay would be good but the student loans would eat all that up lol.
Be well everyone, we're all on the same team
Sep 20, '06i am a practical nursing student at the moment and sometimes feel intimidated by the nursing students but have been learning lately that there's nothing to be intimidated about - i believe that our lessons, pace of learning and curriculum is a little more hectic and stressful that the ones for nursing students. we actually have to squeeze in into 1 or 2 years all the practical knowledge and skills of a nurse that nursing students would normally take few more years. here in the philippines, practical nursing takes 2 years. in other countries i think it only takes a year or even less. practical nurses study for a shorter time but they can handle most of the things that nurses can. also, as "stella -ohio" said - we are really taught to be more compassionate, caring and friendly towards patients. i've had 4 csections and 2 cervical circulage (hopeis right!) and these gave me more than enough experience being confined in a hospital - i'd have to say that hte attitude of the nurse makes such a great difference. it is one of the factors that influenced me to go for a nursing course. the friendly, cheerful and caring nurses really did make a difference, they actually made me feel better just by having that positive attitude.
practical nurses are nurses too - real nurses - why the word 'nurse' be there if they' weren't????? but whatever kind of nurse you are - attitude, thoroughness, compassion, effectiveness and efficiency - that's what matters.
Sep 20, '06Quote from pnstudent78i agree 100%! i'm a lpn, and i have to say that i have had a lot of negative and positive experiences. but i have to say that i've had a lot of pt's ask me to "see their nurse" if it isn't pill related, i can help, and i tell them so. just because i didn't complete 4 years of training doesn't mean i'm any less qualified to do my job. the floor i worked on in my last job was okay. a lot of the rn's treated me like crap, and increased our workloads on a daily basis, and working on a medical floor, that's not fair. i understand and appreciate what they do, and i understand that i couldn't handle all that responsibility but lpn's need their work appreciated as well, especially now that we're starting to give out medications and take on more and more responsibility on our units.practical nurses are nurses too - real nurses - why the word 'nurse' be there if they' weren't????? but whatever kind of nurse you are - attitude, thoroughness, compassion, effectiveness and efficiency - that's what matters.
Sep 20, '06Well,
I am in LPN school here in Connecticut (I graduate in Jan )
I have come across people I worked with (as a Nurse Tech in a hospital), and several RNs at the hospital we do our clinicals in who think LPNs are glorified Nurses Aides.
They seem resentful that we are taking spots away from RN students in the hospital. This belief is enhanced by the restrictions placed on LPNs here by the CT Board of Nurse Examiners. They have banned LPNs from hospitals, where we certainly could work on medical/surgical floors caring for acute patients. They banned us from , even though school districts have one or two nurses for 15 or 20 schools, and allow school secretaries and administrators to pass meds, and provide medical care when the nurse is not at the school that particular day. Of course, they are also the ones who are advocating the elimination of two year RN degrees, as we all know BSNs are the only 'real' nurses.
I am taking this program as there is a 3 year waiting list for the state run RN programs (private RN schools are cost prohibitive)... I figured the 18 month LPN program would mean I could learn nursing skills and get paid as an LPN while in RN school.
But, to all of you who say the preception that LPNs are not 'real' nurses is only for those who are not in the medical field, I say it is rather the opposite in my opinion. All my friends know i'm in ... LPN Nursing school... I have only met resistance and disgust from my 'colleagues' in the medical profession.