Why the nurses get no respect...

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Hello, everyone.

I know this topic has been severely beaten, but its not dead yet because so many of us are still talking about it. I thought I would share my opinions and I invite everyone to comment, whether you agree with me or not.

I'm working on a BSN degree, which I expect to complete by summer '04. After that I intend to work as an RN for a year and then apply to grad school to do the CRNA program. Yes, I'm one of 'those' people who went ahead and did a nursing degree despite all the MANY negative things I heard about nursing as a career. BUT... I've been working as a volunteer in a local hospital, and from what I have observed, it IS true that physicians and NPs look down on nurses. But, it is also true that a lot of what has happened to the nursing profession is due to the attitudes and behavior of some of the nurses themselves.

First of all, I can tell from talking to some of the nurses at my hospital that they barely made it through nursing school and probably passed the NCLEX by less than a hair. Even as a student, I am shocked at some of the things I've seen some RNs do and at some of the questions they ask...stuff that any first year nursing student should know. If even I, as a nursing student, can observe these things, then surely the doctors also do. And, this is one of the reasons some of them think most nurses are idiots and little more than patient care techs. I've only been a volunteer in this hospital for 6 months and already I can tell the good nurses from the bad ones.

Another thing I've observed is that many nurses complain, complain, complain...about everything and wherever they can find an audience. They complain about the pay, the patients, the doctors, the administration...you name it. I've always wondered why these people got into the profession in the first place. They always use the same cliches...Plumbers make more, landscapers make more, etc. Anyone who really loves nursing will agree that it takes a lot more to be a nurse than it does to be a plumber or a gardener. For one thing, to be a good nurse you have to care more about helping people than about making a buck. In fact, to be really good at any profession you have to care more about your competence and reputation than about making a lot of money. I think a lot of nurses don't understand this.

I've seen some nurses who're so miserable when they come on the floor most times that I wonder why they bother. I've always believed that if you don't like what you're doing then you should find another way to make a living and stop creating more stress for yourself. I'm not yet an RN, and obviously as a volunteer I'm not making ANY money from helping take care of people in the hospital, but its experience that I'll need later and I don't get stressed out by it because I actually like helping people.

Also, some nurses don't take themselves seriously but they expect doctors to respect them anyway. In the old days, nurses used to wear immaculate white uniforms that were ironed, and they also wore clean white shoes. They wore conservative and neatly groomed hair, short cut nails, and they were spotless all around. Nurses were in very much the same supporting role back then but doctors did not look down on them the way they do now. Everyone used to look up to that spotless white uniform as a symbol of health and authority, and nursing used to be one of the most highly respected careers.

But look at what's happened. SCRUBS!!! In the ugliest and most shocking colors and prints, and with a pair of smelly, dirty sneakers to match. Not to mention the outrageous hairstyles and the long, acrylic fingernails to match. Compare the matronly-looking nurse from the 1950s in her glorious white uniform to today's nurse in his/her cheap cotton scrubs. Which one looks more like a circus act? Which one looks more like a healthcare professional? And we're wondering why people don't see nurses as professionals!!! Yes, appearance matters, and to prove it, put a lab coat on any nurse and throw a stethescope around his or her neck and see whether most patients won't assume that she/he is a doctor.

Then there's attitude. I've seen nurses who flat out refuse to go back to school to learn new stuff, always holding on tight only to what they know. They resist change and complain when they have to learn new technology that comes into the hospital. Some of them love to stand around backstabbing each other and gossipping, and they say the nastiest things about other nurses who take their work seriously.

I encourage anyone who's thinking about going into nursing to volunteer a few hours each week in a hospital and watch how the RNs and the LPNs do their stuff, just to get an idea of what to expect from the career. If after doing that you still feel like giving nursing a try, then just do it and stop paying attention to other people who say negative things about nursing. Every career has stress, and very few people you ask (no matter what profession they're in) will ever say they make "enough" money. I don't think nurses will ever be paid "enough" money for what they do, but one thing I've learned is that nursing is absolutely the wrong career choice if you're doing it just for the money.

I think nursing can once again become a respected profession when some of us in the field start to respect ourselves and each other a lot more than we do now.

Specializes in LTC,Hospice/palliative care,acute care.
Originally posted by gomernurse

My dear......personally I'd give about as much credence to what you have to say as I would the little old lady pushing lattes and chocolate chip cookies in the lobby.

hehhehhehe:chuckle :roll :roll .......I suspect that Dave was a run by flamer-a troll....so few posts since he joined the site.....Great post,itsme......
Specializes in Oncology/Haemetology/HIV.
Originally posted by daveFL

Nurses today are no different from the ones of years ago...essentially, they're still cleaning the patient's pee-pee and poop, giving medications, doing assessments, and taking orders from doctors and NPs. That's always been a part of the job that will never change whether you're wearing white or the most hideous scrubs.

The fact that a person has been a nurse for 10 or even 20 years doesn't necessarily mean that that person is a good nurse, and I've seen that with my own eyes.

For the person who says wearing a clean white uniform makes a nurse look like a bimbo, well... I guess only so much can be said for cleanliness and self respect. Evidently, these qualities mean different things to different people.

Originally posted by ktwlpn

quote........Don't let some nurses appear to bring a downer because of their denenour or slobishness. Many kids influence their parents today in dress and naitivity (assored meds), and many nurses have families and sometimes single parent "house" holds. .............quote

HellloooooMario-enlighten ME....PLEASE..... ;>)

I am afraid you are asking for the impossible here ktwlpn...;)

Specializes in Obstetrics, M/S, Psych.
Originally posted by mattsmom81

I am afraid you are asking for the impossible here ktwlpn...;)

I'm afraid she's right, mario. You did it again. It's hard to tell whose side you are on. Just be good, OK?:D

Dave,

Here's a little cliche' I'd like you to remember...

People who have ALL of the answers probably don't understand the questions.

You are certainly correct in some of your points, but at this point you are quite naive. You aren't even a "baby nurse" yet you are an embryo right now. We don't even know if you are at the point of viability yet. I think CRNA"s are really great in general, but most have more than 1 year bedside experience. So right there, you are a little out of touch with reality. I wish you good luck in your pursuits. I also have no doubt that many humbling experiences wait you out there in the nursing world. Good luck growing up!

Specializes in Med/Surg, Geriatrics.
Originally posted by imenid37

Dave,

Here's a little cliche' I'd like you to remember...

People who have ALL of the answers probably don't understand the questions.

You are certainly correct in some of your points, but at this point you are quite naive. You aren't even a "baby nurse" yet you are an embryo right now. We don't even know if you are at the point of viability yet. I think CRNA"s are really great in general, but most have more than 1 year bedside experience. So right there, you are a little out of touch with reality. I wish you good luck in your pursuits. I also have no doubt that many humbling experiences wait you out there in the nursing world. Good luck growing up!

Bravo!! Well stated, I hope would love to hear what Dave thinks after a year at the bedside.

Specializes in Med-Surg, Trauma, Ortho, Neuro, Cardiac.
Originally posted by SmilingBluEyes

wow---- such great replies I cannot add much to. I will just say this:

Dave, you need to walk oh....about 2000 miles in my so-called "stinky sneakers", as you put it so deftly, BEFORE YOU HAVE THE REAL RIGHT IN MY EYES TO EVEN BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND WHAT REAL-WORLD NURSING IS ABOUT.

Til then, you need to remember this, especially in nursing and medicine: A CLOSED mouth will never hold a foot in it!

Best of luck to you. I mean it.

Good reply as well Deb. I wonder if Dave is going to feel the same as he feels now after being out there for say a year, and not just from the perspective of a student. It's a totally different set of sneakers he will be in then. Kind of changes your perspective a little bit.

As an experienced RN and a nurse manager, let me be perhaps the only responder to agree, at least partially to Dave's original post. The posts some of you have written here are totally uncalled for. Some of these personal attacks against Dave obviously stung some of you, and it appears that most of the comments are from nurses who're probably burnt out on the profession and seeking a venue to vent their frustrations. Here's an idea: if you don't like nursing, why not leave?

From my personal experience in the two hospitals I've worked in during the past 15 years, I will say that a lot of what Dave wrote in his posts is 100% true, and I'm not just saying that because I'm part of management. I know our job is a thankless one, and there are nurses on my team who work their butts off to get the job done. But, there are also those who have to be monitored all the time because they don't always follow procedures and instructions, and they have poor work ethics. I don't subscribe to writing nurses up or harassing them, and firing people is an absolute last resort. If there's a screw up, I call the parties aside privately and discuss the matter, and most of the time the issue is resolved right there.

Professionals?? I would have a really good laugh about that one if I wasn't an RN myself, if I didn't know how tough it is to make it through grad school, if I didn't know how tough it is to work with some difficult patients, and some arrogant doctors. If I didn't know how tough it is to work in a high-stress environment as most hospital nurses do. But, even being in the profession for as long as I have I can also see why doctors don't think of nurses as professionals, and whether you agree with the things Dave said or not, a lot of it is true, although I don't know that wearing a clean white uniform will do anything for miserable, lazy, irresponsible, incompetent nurses who complain all day long. I've had to fire a few of those, and I have no regrets.

Last Halloween, I had one nurse show up in neon orange scrubs with black jack-o-lantern prints. More recently, one female nurse reported for work with each of her fingernails painted with a naked body in a different sexual position, and she was very upset when I told her she had to remove the nail paintings because a patient had noticed the nails and complained about them. These are just two very small examples, and it should never be necessary for a nurse manager to tell any nurse that things like these are inappropriate for work. What shocks me is that they were shocked when I had to talk to them about it.

About nurses complaining that doctors look down on them, why complain? Many RNs who do exactly the same thing to LPNs and CNAs. This is perhaps THE biggest problem with the nursing profession: the way we are quick to ***** about everything, point fingers and other people, and stab one another in the back. As a manager, I see this happen all the time among (not all, but many) nurses, but it rarely ever happens among the doctors because 99.9% of the doctors will cover for and defend one another to the very end, no matter how big they screw up. .

I've lost count of how many times I've found myself defending the rights of my nurses, which isn't a very popular agenda item for management in any hospital. But, the behavior of some nurses make it very difficult, and I no longer put my reputation and credibility on the line for nurses who obviously don't care very much about the profession, and I don't need to convince any of you that there are a lot of these types out there because I'm sure every experienced nurse has had the opportunity to work with at least one of them.

Specializes in Obstetrics, M/S, Psych.

You are a nurse manager and you chose this to be your first post on a nurses BB?? Sorry, but something doesn't sit quite right with that...

Gomernurse, I think that you might know a friend of mine.....his user name was Chap. Maybe you and DaveFL are buddies too.

maybe that is why you suddenly feel the need to come on here and post such assinine comments.

???

Gator

Specializes in Obstetrics, M/S, Psych.

Anyone else smell that?

Specializes in Obstetrics, M/S, Psych.
Originally posted by Gator,SN

Gomernurse, I think that you might know a friend of mine.....his user name was Chap. Maybe you and DaveFL are buddies too.

maybe that is why you suddenly feel the need to come on here and post such assinine comments.

???

Gator

Guess so!:chuckle Someone is cooking troll for supper!!

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