Why the nurses get no respect... - page 5

Hello, everyone. I know this topic has been severely beaten, but its not dead yet because so many of us are still talking about it. I thought I would share my opinions and I invite everyone to... Read More

  1. by   imenid37
    Dave,
    Here's a little cliche' I'd like you to remember...
    People who have ALL of the answers probably don't understand the questions.

    You are certainly correct in some of your points, but at this point you are quite naive. You aren't even a "baby nurse" yet you are an embryo right now. We don't even know if you are at the point of viability yet. I think CRNA"s are really great in general, but most have more than 1 year bedside experience. So right there, you are a little out of touch with reality. I wish you good luck in your pursuits. I also have no doubt that many humbling experiences wait you out there in the nursing world. Good luck growing up!
  2. by   SharonH, RN
    Originally posted by imenid37
    Dave,
    Here's a little cliche' I'd like you to remember...
    People who have ALL of the answers probably don't understand the questions.

    You are certainly correct in some of your points, but at this point you are quite naive. You aren't even a "baby nurse" yet you are an embryo right now. We don't even know if you are at the point of viability yet. I think CRNA"s are really great in general, but most have more than 1 year bedside experience. So right there, you are a little out of touch with reality. I wish you good luck in your pursuits. I also have no doubt that many humbling experiences wait you out there in the nursing world. Good luck growing up!

    Bravo!! Well stated, I hope would love to hear what Dave thinks after a year at the bedside.
  3. by   Tweety
    Originally posted by SmilingBluEyes
    wow---- such great replies I cannot add much to. I will just say this:

    Dave, you need to walk oh....about 2000 miles in my so-called "stinky sneakers", as you put it so deftly, BEFORE YOU HAVE THE REAL RIGHT IN MY EYES TO EVEN BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND WHAT REAL-WORLD NURSING IS ABOUT.

    Til then, you need to remember this, especially in nursing and medicine: A CLOSED mouth will never hold a foot in it!

    Best of luck to you. I mean it.
    Good reply as well Deb. I wonder if Dave is going to feel the same as he feels now after being out there for say a year, and not just from the perspective of a student. It's a totally different set of sneakers he will be in then. Kind of changes your perspective a little bit.
  4. by   Tony35NYC
    As an experienced RN and a nurse manager, let me be perhaps the only responder to agree, at least partially to Dave's original post. The posts some of you have written here are totally uncalled for. Some of these personal attacks against Dave obviously stung some of you, and it appears that most of the comments are from nurses who're probably burnt out on the profession and seeking a venue to vent their frustrations. Here's an idea: if you don't like nursing, why not leave?

    From my personal experience in the two hospitals I've worked in during the past 15 years, I will say that a lot of what Dave wrote in his posts is 100% true, and I'm not just saying that because I'm part of management. I know our job is a thankless one, and there are nurses on my team who work their butts off to get the job done. But, there are also those who have to be monitored all the time because they don't always follow procedures and instructions, and they have poor work ethics. I don't subscribe to writing nurses up or harassing them, and firing people is an absolute last resort. If there's a screw up, I call the parties aside privately and discuss the matter, and most of the time the issue is resolved right there.

    Professionals?? I would have a really good laugh about that one if I wasn't an RN myself, if I didn't know how tough it is to make it through grad school, if I didn't know how tough it is to work with some difficult patients, and some arrogant doctors. If I didn't know how tough it is to work in a high-stress environment as most hospital nurses do. But, even being in the profession for as long as I have I can also see why doctors don't think of nurses as professionals, and whether you agree with the things Dave said or not, a lot of it is true, although I don't know that wearing a clean white uniform will do anything for miserable, lazy, irresponsible, incompetent nurses who complain all day long. I've had to fire a few of those, and I have no regrets.

    Last Halloween, I had one nurse show up in neon orange scrubs with black jack-o-lantern prints. More recently, one female nurse reported for work with each of her fingernails painted with a naked body in a different sexual position, and she was very upset when I told her she had to remove the nail paintings because a patient had noticed the nails and complained about them. These are just two very small examples, and it should never be necessary for a nurse manager to tell any nurse that things like these are inappropriate for work. What shocks me is that they were shocked when I had to talk to them about it.

    About nurses complaining that doctors look down on them, why complain? Many RNs who do exactly the same thing to LPNs and CNAs. This is perhaps THE biggest problem with the nursing profession: the way we are quick to ***** about everything, point fingers and other people, and stab one another in the back. As a manager, I see this happen all the time among (not all, but many) nurses, but it rarely ever happens among the doctors because 99.9% of the doctors will cover for and defend one another to the very end, no matter how big they screw up. .

    I've lost count of how many times I've found myself defending the rights of my nurses, which isn't a very popular agenda item for management in any hospital. But, the behavior of some nurses make it very difficult, and I no longer put my reputation and credibility on the line for nurses who obviously don't care very much about the profession, and I don't need to convince any of you that there are a lot of these types out there because I'm sure every experienced nurse has had the opportunity to work with at least one of them.
  5. by   sbic56
    You are a nurse manager and you chose this to be your first post on a nurses BB?? Sorry, but something doesn't sit quite right with that...
  6. by   Gator,SN
    Gomernurse, I think that you might know a friend of mine.....his user name was Chap. Maybe you and DaveFL are buddies too.
    maybe that is why you suddenly feel the need to come on here and post such assinine comments.
    ???
    Gator
  7. by   sbic56
    Anyone else smell that?
  8. by   sbic56
    Originally posted by Gator,SN
    Gomernurse, I think that you might know a friend of mine.....his user name was Chap. Maybe you and DaveFL are buddies too.
    maybe that is why you suddenly feel the need to come on here and post such assinine comments.
    ???
    Gator
    Guess so!:chuckle Someone is cooking troll for supper!!
  9. by   Tony35NYC
    Actually, I'm still logged on, and reviewing the rest of this website because I'm a new member on here. This website has some good information in the articles section, but I think I made a mistake to join this forum because some people here seem to post only attacks against other people rather that ideas that inspire or encourage others.

    I wish you all the best. This type of petty "back-biting" just isn't my bag og tea.
  10. by   SharonH, RN
    Originally posted by Tony35NYC
    Here's an idea: if you don't like nursing, why not leave?

    Pssst....hey Tony, didn't you hear? Many of us are already taking your advice! Aren't you a little out of touch?


    This is perhaps THE biggest problem with the nursing profession: the way we are quick to ***** about everything, point fingers and other people, and stab one another in the back.

    Oh the irony of this statement coming from you! LOL,:chuckle
  11. by   Gator,SN
    Tony, I HIGHLY doubt that ANY of your crapulous post is true or valid, and can only thank my lucky stars that you are not a nurse manager in the hospital where I work.


    I wish you all the best. This type of petty "back-biting" just isn't my bag og tea.
    Funny, Tony, thats not what your post sounds like to me.

    Gator
  12. by   Hellllllo Nurse
    Originally posted by Tony35NYC
    I no longer put my reputation and credibility on the line for nurses who obviously don't care very much about the profession,.

    But will you put your reputation and credibility on the line for nurses who very much do care about the profession?


    Bad employees in any area of employment are the responsibility of mgmt. If any employee is disruptive or inappropriate, get rid of them. That's your job.


    And....why do you think so many nurses are burnt-out?

    Bad employees bring down the morale of everyone and compromise quality of care. Not that anyone in a mgmt position really gives a crap about that.

    Sure, they pay a lot of lip service to it. But, watch them do a 180 in a hurry if a nurse really sticks her neck out and speaks up for a pt not getting the care and tx they need.


    I for one, am exhausted and beaten down by struggling to provide the best care I can in the face of all the obstacles mgmt has put in my (our) way.


    It's in reading posts such as the original in this thread and by the nurse "manager" here that make me feel like giving up.
  13. by   Katnip
    "99.9% of doctors will cover for and defend one another to the very end, no matter how big they screw up"

    And this is supposed to be ok? Nurses are supposed to turn a blind eye to an incompetent or impaired colleague, no matter who they harm or kill?

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