New nurses wanted.

We need new nurses. We need people with strength of character, intelligence, and drive. So who says they're being driven away? Nurses General Nursing Article

I have just read a post in a Nursing Specialties forum on Staff Development that makes reference to the need to recognize and nurture new nurses because the nursing-eat-their-young attitude is so widespread. I went to respond to that but realized it might see more eyes here.

As a clarification, it is critically important to know that someone who has a bad experience is likely to tell the story 25 times, while someone with a good one is likely to tell that story only 5 times. If therefore you apply this algorithm to the posts complaining of wretched treatment at the hands of old meanies who don't remember what it is to have a dreeeeaaaammmmm and passsssssiooonnnn, then you come out with a more realistic picture.

Language is also critically important. Using words like, "It has been a chronic problem that has driven new nurses to leave nursing areas they had aspired to work in, and oftentimes caused new nurses to leave the nursing field entirely. No one knows how many talented people have been driven from the field of nursing, but it seems to be a widespread problem if all the articles and discussion in nursing forums is representative of most nursing environments" makes assumptions on facts not in evidence. "Seem(ing) to be a widespread problem" only works if you believe that "all the articles and discussion is representative of most nursing environments." (emphasis added here and below). Data, please. What's the source of that information?

There are many threads and posts on AN that describe awesome experiences and workplaces, yet this assertion of "all the articles and discussion" clearly ignores them. There is ample evidence of older nurses here and at work supporting, teaching, and mentoring younger ones, on their own time, for free, late at night when they ought to be in bed, precisely because they want to nurture new nurses. We know they are our future, and we want them to be good. At the same time, there are multiple posts from new nurses that can bitterly dishearten the seasoned thoughtful practitioner, posts that indicate low levels of preparation, high levels of neediness and entitlement, unrealistic expectations of the realities of bedside work, and inability to adapt to the labor market.

Those older, seasoned, and experienced practitioners express their dismay at these attitudes in many ways, from light-hearted banter to bitter and heartbroken rant. The resulting wails are instructive-- and demonstrative of a problem that has generally nothing whatsoever to do with young-eating. Perhaps some of those "many talented people" (in whose estimation? their own?) are "oftentimes" "driven" away by other factors than this seriously-overused and incredible (in the definition of the word, meaning, "not believable," not "rad, totally awesome, duuude") sound bite. Beware the shallow thinker who prefers sound bites to thoughtful analysis; do not be that person. We need better critical thinking in nursing. It can start here.

Those of us older and more seasoned nurses know better than to discourage all new nurses from practice. We, better than they, have a clearer vision of being in those beds rather than beside them; we, better than they, have a larger perspective on the world of nursing care. We have already been new nurses. We have already been managers. We have already taken the responsibility of being charge nurses. We have been years at bedsides. We have already seen and participated in disasters, codes, deaths, family tragedies, fights, and labor actions. We know what it takes. We know we need more of us, as we age and leave because we are not able to do it anymore.

We can be pardoned for being scared to death of those soi-disant (this means, in translation, self-described) "talented people" who are unable to (for lack of a better word) hack it at the bedside and do not understand, or try to understand, from whence we come. The perennially-aggrieved give us heartburn; we have no patience with them, we don't have time. We are scared of what will happen to us and our loved ones when the self-esteem movement leaves us with caregivers that need more validation from their patients than they have the fortitude to learn to give them.

We welcome whole-heartedly, unreservedly, new nurses who are willing to put their education in its proper place, planning and providing competent care. We love the one who doesn't come in and say, "I'm just working here for a year so I can go to ICU and then go to CRNA / NP school." We want good nurses; we are willing to help new nurses who want to work wherever there is a need even if it's not their dreeeeaammmm job, and work hard, to grow. We want to work with people who don't have such a twitchy trigger finger, ready to go off with a bang over the least perceived slight. We want colleagues who believe this: Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. (~Ralph Waldo Emerson)

Anyone who wants to be a nurse who has the strength of character to do that, we're ready for you. Are you ready for us? We are already here.

Specializes in Pediatrics, Emergency, Trauma.
I have to wonder if the nurses on here denying the existance of bully/catty behavior are they the ones perpetrating it? Just a thought hmmm :))))[/quote']

^ Negative.

My issues are with "perpetual victims"...people who have inner struggles and project their issues out. We as nurses assess this in our pts, yet at times, we don't do the assessment pieces that we learned when it comes to our benefit.

I've been on both sides. I've used those skills that I learned in Mental health courses to state how I learn, what I struggle with, my background, etc. I also expect my orientees to do the same, because I ask those questions, and I expect when you are done, to be confident enough to take care of our pts, to seek assistance without doubt, and to advocate for yourself and the patients that we take care of.

If one is struggling with that, has a history of low self esteem or a history of self-doubt, then forced into a new environment, the stress is there, and can turn people that are usually calm, cool, collected into a person suffering from hypersensitivity.

It happens-let's not ignore that aspect when dealing with conflict as well...both sides have ways of coping, or not; regardless, both of these resources are available at most places that I have worked, including at my new job. If that is not happening, I behoove people to become agents of change, present the EBP and make a plan. We have a CHOICE...choosing to "remain a victim" does more harm that good, especially to the person holistically.

Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.
. . . . All I can say is WOW! I guess you are a member of the crusty old bat society!

Based on the context, it appears you intended that as an insult. It isn't. The phrase was coined by someone who was thanking and grateful for the "crusty old bats" she worked with. You've inspired me to put that back on my signature!

I have to wonder if the nurses on here denying the existance of bully/catty behavior are they the ones perpetrating it? Just a thought hmmm :))))[/quote']

I agree.

Specializes in Pediatrics.

New nurses have no business holding onto a defeatist, victim attitude and wailing, "Nurses eat their young!"

Buck up, show a desire to learn, be respectful, THANK ANYONE AND EVERYONE WHO GIVES YOU FEEDBACK (yes, even if it is critical, devoid of the sunshine and rainbows you think you deserve). Go in with the right attitude, and you will be fine.

No one is entitled to kid gloves and nurturing. It's nice, but you are responsible for your own success and your own mentality.

Specializes in Rehab, critical care.

Well said. And reiterates why many nurses end up pursuing nursing education. (And why I would like to in the future after more experience). We need good nurses! Eventually, like you said, it will be you, or a family member in that bed, and you want a good nurse. Behind every good nurse is (usually) a good teacher or mentor that taught them something that they will take with them every day (night) to work. Now that I've been a "go-to" person, I think I'm ready to take the step to be a preceptor. Not yet, but in the coming months :). Great article, GrnTea!

New nurses have no business holding onto a defeatist, victim attitude and wailing, "Nurses eat their young!"

Buck up, show a desire to learn, be respectful, THANK ANYONE AND EVERYONE WHO GIVES YOU FEEDBACK (yes, even if it is critical, devoid of the sunshine and rainbows you think you deserve). Go in with the right attitude, and you will be fine.

No one is entitled to kid gloves and nurturing. It's nice, but you are responsible for your own success and your own mentality.

This topic for me is in no way related to being a victim, I'm a survivor in every sense of the word! It's about RESPECT people, respect goes both ways! Ive seen dogs treated better than what some of you crusty old bats treat new nurses. Being seasoned nurse does not give you the right to be *****!!!!! Don"t hide a bad motive under a good one.

Shame on you!

I really don't think new nurses want to be kissed and hugged, LOL.

Peeps, all they want is a fair shot at learning so that they won't kill people. Unfortunately nursing, and all healthcare jobs are based on mentorship once one is out of the book and on the floor working. Being mentored while working with real patients on a constant basis is the only way to learn.

Unfortunately nursing is one of the most poorly organized "professions"? (suspect use of the word profession). You have too many nurses who after years really know nothing simply because nobody was around to mentor. When you don't know what you're doing, after a while you push back when somebody new to the job comes around, because all sorts of baggage comes from never having learned and having to survive the job - these nurses carry this baggage and will refuse to help others simply because they never were mentored and don't respect themselves or others. These nurses should be kept out of management and educator roles. But the problem is that many push into management and educator roles to get away from the job they never had a chance to learn properly and hate... this is a huge problem. When they are called to educate or lead, they flat out refuse and continue the charade but on a higher level, the pressure is on and situational mental illness comes into play. Gets dangerous for everybody they interact with. They are the absolute worst choices for any kind of leadership role.

The true leaders are few. Sadly most are now gone having been fired simply because they were that good. A threat to those who will never be. Nursing is going to hell in a handbasket everybody. This thread is proof of that for sure.

These nurses who will continue to bring us all down are the posters here who "act out" within this thread with their threats toward new nurses.

Specializes in ICU.
This topic for me is in no way related to being a victim, I'm a survivor in every sense of the word! It's about RESPECT people, respect goes both ways! Ive seen dogs treated better than what some of you crusty old bats treat new nurses. Being seasoned nurse does not give you the right to be *****!!!!! Don"t hide a bad motive under a good one.

Shame on you!

While I happen to quite like crusty old bats, I do agree with you about this really being about basic principles of respect and that it needs to flow both ways.

When a person decides to chuck rocks at a bird struggling to take flight (as some of these experienced nurses choose to do), you may swear up and down that you're doing it out of the kindness of your heart for the sake of instilling motivation, but you and I both know that you're just being a belligerent jerk.

Specializes in Nursing Education, CVICU, Float Pool.
New nurses have no business holding onto a defeatist, victim attitude and wailing, "Nurses eat their young!"

Buck up, show a desire to learn, be respectful, THANK ANYONE AND EVERYONE WHO GIVES YOU FEEDBACK (yes, even if it is critical, devoid of the sunshine and rainbows you think you deserve). Go in with the right attitude, and you will be fine.

No one is entitled to kid gloves and nurturing. It's nice, but you are responsible for your own success and your own mentality.

That's right.... and no nurse has no business getting nasty or in w blunder when someone is inexperienced. This is a two way street no matter how you try to contort it.

Everything you said is truly on point and can be flipped right back around the "otherway". Both experienced and inexperienced people need to get and keep the right attitude, no that people do not always do things your way and that new information is coming out everyday, know that you can always learn regardless of your position. All need to remember that both roles require humility, even though in different aspects.

In general, inexperience doesn't give you an excuse to gripe, moan, complain, and be rude about insignificant things, but neither does experience.

Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.
This topic for me is in no way related to being a victim, I'm a survivor in every sense of the word! It's about RESPECT people, respect goes both ways! Ive seen dogs treated better than what some of you crusty old bats treat new nurses. Being seasoned nurse does not give you the right to be *****!!!!! Don"t hide a bad motive under a good one.

Shame on you!

From a crusty old bat.....I have to agree. It is ALL about respect and respect is a two way street. While many of new nurses to the field flounder at first....they usually end up doing just fine.

I like the analogy of chucking rocks at the floundering bird trying to take flight.....and it's true. However there are those that are from the "Everybody wins" generation that don't realize that criticism alone isn't negative and no one is going to praise every thing you do.

I fault the hospitals that are no longer allotting time and education to the new nurses and as new nurses you should be outraged! I remember that to precept you went to classes, seminars and in-services specific on being preceptors. We were paid...not much, but at least recognized for our efforts. We were allowed to teach and nurture without the burden of another load of our own. we were allowed to mentor and guide.

Don't blame the experienced nurses that have too much on their plate and expected to teach someone else for no incentive other than getting yelled at or written up because you clocked out late.

Blame the wolves in administration who are throwing you out of an aircraft without a parachute not caring if you die when you hit the ground because you are expendable and there are 4 other new grads happy to take your slot. Which is sad for you will be the next generation teaching the new.

We can voice our opinions in an articulate manner......we can all agree to agree to disagree without being disagreeable (Gerald Ford)

But I really feel bad for the grads of today....you are in most cases not being given the tools and skills for a good start.

Specializes in ICU.
From a crusty old bat.....I have to agree. It is ALL about respect and respect is a two way street. While many of new nurses to the field flounder at first....they usually end up doing just fine.

I like the analogy of chucking rocks at the floundering bird trying to take flight.....and it's true. However there are those that are from the "Everybody wins" generation that don't realize that criticism alone isn't negative and no one is going to praise every thing you do.

That may be true. But that's no excuse for bad behavior. The only thing a person can control is their own reaction. If someone chooses to react poorly when other options exist, they can and should be held responsible for that.

Don't blame the experienced nurses that have too much on their plate and expected to teach someone else for no incentive other than getting yelled at or written up because you clocked out late.

Blame the wolves in administration who are throwing you out of an aircraft without a parachute not caring if you die when you hit the ground because you are expendable and there are 4 other new grads happy to take your slot. Which is sad for you will be the next generation teaching the new.

Experienced nurses may or may not have much control over administrative decisions and process, but that's not what some of us are talking about here. We're talking about individual behavior, which the experienced nurses have ultimate control over (if they honestly don't have ultimate control over their own behavior, then they probably should not be entrusted with the lives of others - so I will assume that they do).

Much as he/she might like to try, not even the experienced nurse can legitimately blame administration for his/her behavior, so why should I?

Too many are missing the point here. Yes, there are experienced nurses who are mean and impatient. There are new nurses who are mean and impatient. There have always been such people and there always will be.

But this perception that a large percentage of new grads are brow beaten victims and that "nurses eat their young" is just a crutch that scared new grads fall back on when the going gets tough. Whenever I hear someone say "everyone's picking on me" in *any* context, my first thought is that the problem lies with the person saying this. I think this because 90% of the time it's true. If you're struggling with your job and not getting along with your coworkers..... IT IS PROBABLY YOU FAULT. I'm sorry, to me this is obvious.

"Self-pity is easily the most destructive of the nonpharmaceutical narcotics; it is addictive, gives momentary pleasure and separates the victim from reality."

-John W. Gardner