It seems like everyone but nurses make more money - page 2
I didn't become a nurse because I had a calling or anything. I was one of those few idiots in high school who had no dreams or aspiration, so my dad said "hey nursing sounds good" and I said... Read More
Dec 29, '16Much of it is perspective. I made over $80,000 as a ADN worked weekends and holidays to get it but for a 2 year degree I thought that was mighty impressive. It truly is about living within your means, imo. My guess as others have mentioned that many of those you know who have flashy things are not making that much more just spending more.
Dec 29, '16Regular ole garden variety bachelors degrees? Aren't a lot of those grads underemployed since the recession?
Dec 29, '16Quote from Libby1987Yep. Quite a few Starbucks baristas, store clerks, and waiters have baccalaureate degrees in their back pockets.Regular ole garden variety bachelors degrees? Aren't a lot of those grads underemployed since the recession?
Although a degree in the classics or literature will broaden students' worldviews and enhance human understanding in a comprehensive way, the downside is the lack of specificity in the job market.
Dec 29, '16I think you are experiencing confirmation bias- you believe that everyone else is making more than you, so you NOTICE people who (you believe) are making more than you.
It's certainly true that nursing does not mean an huge salary for most people, but the average starting salary for nurses is actually more than $5K/year higher than the average starting salary for all BS/BA holders this year, and that's even more impressive when you consider that most nurses do not begin their career with a BSN (ADNs make up the majority of new grads, though many go on to get a BSN or higher later). It's nearly DOUBLE the starting salary for an education BA holder.
Bedside nursing does not have a very high salary cap- if you spend your entire career in one position, you will max out at a certain point and it will probably be at less than someone with, say, a business degree can hope to earn with promotion. But it does have a high degree of stability and portability and nearly always has solid benefits (which certainly not all employers in other industries offer).
But I still question your idea that people with degrees in other fields are "raking in" easy money. Most of the people I know who make more than me outside healthcare have either graduate degrees (JD, MBA) or have worked very hard to get there, often doing jobs I know I wouldn't want to do. Jobs with large bonuses or commissions usually involve sales and/or a level of drive and customer-pleasing that I can't fathom bringing to the table every day. Per my friends with jobs with mandatory travel, the shine on those luxury hotels dims pretty quickly when you're just tired and miss your dog and your own bed week after week.
Most people don't make six-figure salaries, period, and those who do don't necessarily have the cushy lives you imagine.
I don't think nursing is paid well enough, but I absolutely think you're suffering from greener grass syndrome here.
Dec 29, '16I agree. Many degrees don't see the return that they once did. I know people with Bachelors degrees and even Master's that have worked the same low paying 12$ an hour jobs as me. Nursing is unique in that it offers so much flexibility. There is so many areas that nurses can work it that is unrivialed by any occupation that I can think of off the top of my head. There is also opportunities to make great money with those who further education or find opportunities for it. Plenty of nurses have owned their own businesses, became inventors, etc.
Dec 29, '16Honestly many, many people live outside of their means and that may be what your seeing. Here is an example: 5 years ago my husband and I were looking for our first home. We were in our early 20's and made a combined take home income of a little more than $50,000/year. We had all of our basics covered just fine as we live in a LCOL area but certainly we were not raking it in as we had one toddler and one on the way. We were approved for a mortgage up to $250,000, there is no way on God's green earth we could have afforded that mortgage and still paid for things with our money as opposed to using credit cards to survive. We got a house for half of that amount that left money at the end of the month. But you would be surprised at how many people don't of that, get the fancy house, and live on credit cards for basics.
Also a supply and demand issue. There are way too many nursing schools churning out graduates, the market does not have to pay us anymore than they did 10-15 years ago because there are more nurses to pluck from that ever before.
My mom has been in an a non-healthcare related field for over 30 years. She now makes 6 figures but it took about 20 years before that happened and even though her job is very different from mine, she is just as stressed at times.
Money is good because you need it to survive but you won't be rolling in it going into the nursing field most likely. Perhaps consider a career that you want to do and not a suggested one? It's easier to get through the bad days/moments at a job you some days hate but most days couldn't see yourself anywhere else.
Dec 29, '16Also, absolutely seconding people who said "owning two sports cars does not necessarily means someone is making bank."
Many, many people live with crippling amounts of debt. Just because someone is leading a materially luxe life, do not assume they are bringing home a paycheck that finances it with ease.
You probably have a good idea about what your brother really makes (although again, no guarantees unless he's showing you his stubs) but don't make assumptions about anyone else based on lifestyle. I know so many people in all fields whose entire paycheck goes to cover minimum-only payments on credit cards they've been struggling to pay down for years.
Dec 29, '16Quote from rearviewmirrorOnce you've established your reputation as a nurse, you likely will not have to worry too much about position-cutting and layoffs. The people who rake in the big bucks are not always that secure. Today's corner office has a way of turning into tomorrow's out on the street.Well I was actually joking sarcastically when I said I got a key chain... which would have been worse actually if I got a key chain.
What I am seeing is not the "educational elites" who put in hard work and making multi-figures. I am talking about regular Joe Blow with regualr 4 year old Bachelor degree. I know that no one gives you free money, that's why it's called work, but it's pretty disproportionate it seems, healthcare always poses difficulty and aneurysm-inducing type of jobs, while other fields are not as intense but just reek in easy money it seems.
I am not too crazy about money, but having the examples around me makes me think that we deserve more, and yeah it's little childish but makes me think it's not fair.
A lot of those big positions are salaried with high work expectations. That means people work late, work weekends to the point that if their pay was measured hourly it wouldn't be so impressive. I'll take my hourly pay with my union contract any day.
I won't be driving a Lexus anytime soon, but I also won't be trying to find another plum position like the one that was just downsized.Last edit by TriciaJ on Dec 29, '16 : Reason: Should have proof-read before I posted.
Dec 29, '16Nursing is odd in that it offers a high starting wage but not a ton more for experience when compared to other professional jobs requiring a 4 year degree.
Dec 30, '16Don't be fooled...The grass is not greener on the other side. Scenario: lets say your brother is fired or laid off, it would take him months and months to find a comparable job IF he is even able to find one. Those jobs literally be like...... "many will enter, few will win". And as far living lavish goes...they can keep their debt making toys and keep using their pretend money aka credit cards!
Dec 30, '16Quote from rearviewmirrorLess than 33% of Americans have a bachelor's degree. "Joe Blow" doesn't have one. Just having a bachelor's degree already puts you in the top third of all American citizens.I am talking about regular Joe Blow with regualr 4 year old Bachelor degree.
Rates of high school completion and bachelor's degree attainment among persons age 25 and over, by race/ethnicity and sex: Selected years, 1910 through 2015
Dec 30, '16Quote from rearviewmirrorI'm sorry, but this is not the reality at all and is actually somewhat of a joke. Either your perspective is totally skewed, or by chance, you just happen to know many of the few in this situation. The reality is that the majority of graduates of bachelor programs find themselves jobless or struggling to acquire meager jobs that were obtainable by high-school graduates in our parents day. Most college students today are all afraid of the same thing - how they are going to find employment that is able to get them out of their parents home and make a livable salary.What I am seeing is not the "educational elites" who put in hard work and making multi-figures. I am talking about regular Joe Blow with regualr 4 year old Bachelor degree.
You realize that without a graduate-level degree, the vast majority of college majors do not even qualify you to work in that field, at least not in any meaningful or lucrative sense by any means. Take for example almost every science/social science major - biology, psychology, sociology, etc. a bachelors degree in these fields is almost worthless from an employment perspective, especially with the thousands of graduates being pumped out every semester across the nation. The same is true for many other majors - communications, political science, classics, english, etc. the list just goes on. Most of these people end up eventually finding jobs in something like sales because there are no jobs in these fields at the bachelor level. The ones that don't either go back to waiting tables or go back to school in fields that allow for employment (eg nursing).
Basically, the types of bachelor degrees you are describing are few and far between - only really engineering, computer science, finance (depending on school and connections), and a few others at most. Otherwise, nurses are better off then almost all other majors with commensurate education besides the few lucky ones with connections or that happened to catch a break with a decently paid job (again, this is a major minority).
Stop complaining about your situation, honestly, with your attitude and outlook, you are lucky to have what you do. If you want to make more, go back to school to further your education (or if you really believe what you have posted, go and get a BS in finance and let us all know how that pans out 5 years from now).