Are anti-vaccine people conspiracy theorists generally? - page 9

I have an old friend from years ago who I now keep in touch with on Facebook. Her posts are fascinating in the amazing variety of conspiracy theories, some outrageous, some maybe partially true.... Read More

  1. by   Emergent
    Quote from Farawyn
    Define "quality" sperm.
    Asking for a friend.

    Love this thread.
    A man’s age matters

    Children with fathers aged 40 or older are more than five times as likely to have an autism spectrum disorder than children fathered by men aged under 30.
  2. by   LibraSunCNM
    Quote from klone
    Oh, ****! How did I miss this gem.

    Attitudes like this literally make me feel sick to my stomach.
    Don't even waste your energy, this is the same poster that argued rape would be less of a risk if women dressed more moderately in the "Stanford Rapist" thread awhile back.
  3. by   Kooky Korky
    Quote from GM2RN
    That's quite the judgement there. As the mother of a child currently fighting brain cancer, I can relate to doing what CAN be done to keep their child alive, but sometimes it isn't possible. The most likely form of treatment for my son's cancer costs minimally $250,000 out of pocket, and while I'd do most anything to get him that treatment, it just isn't within my reach. That's reality for many people.
    Off topic but want to suggest that you might try contacting various foundations, like Warren Buffet's for example, as they make charitable donations for things like medical care, if you haven't already. Best wishes for your child and family.
    Last edit by Kooky Korky on Oct 26, '17
  4. by   Kooky Korky
    Quote from wtbcrna
    The highly educated luckily are few and far between. These anti-vaccine proponents deny the evidence and hence why these same people are more likely to believe in conspiracy theories.

    As far as the courts awarding vaccine injury cases: the courts are not trained in medicine and often a jury trial will rule in the favor of the plaintiff even if they don't believe that the vaccine or drug etc was the cause of injury because they feel sympathy for defendant.
    I don't know of any recent court cases in the US where the court has ruled vaccines as the cause of autism. That link has been completely debunked.
    How high is highly?
  5. by   Kooky Korky
    Quote from klone
    If you know about herd immunity, then why the heck are you asking that question? Once again, I'm flabbergasted that we're having this conversation with another HEALTHCARE PROFESSIONAL.

    Not all people can get all vaccines, due to health conditions that make vaccines contraindicated. Infants typically do not start getting vaccinated until 2 months old, and aren't fully protected until a year.

    THOSE are the reasons why herd immunity is important.

    No need to invoke Jesus in every post you make. Jesus has nothing to do with it.
    Jesus has to do with everything for me. You can keep your own counsel with regard to Him and I will keep mine. If you don't like reading His name, don't read my posts.

    Hepatitis is scheduled for birth or 1 month.

    You never know when you might be able to share knowledge that someone else might not have - such as in this instance when you have stated a reason for pushing for herd immunity. Your reason had not occurred to me.
  6. by   AllenTheNurse
    Quote from KatieMI
    If you personally are against vaccines, that's your right. But it is not your right to risk lives of others, especially most vulnerable and weak ones. If a young child or an immunodepressed adult "just catches" something from an uncaccinated kid and dies, the mom of that kid is not "just a non-believer in vaccines". She is a killer.
    Halleloo! You can drop the mic now. You summed it up perfectly.
  7. by   klone
    Quote from Kooky Korky
    You never know when you might be able to share knowledge that someone else might not have - such as in this instance when you have stated a reason for pushing for herd immunity. Your reason had not occurred to me.
    But that's the whole basis for herd immunity. You said you understood it.
  8. by   Kooky Korky
    Quote from Jen-Elizabeth
    I hope abstinence involves abstaining from any type of skin-to-skin intimate contact. Because one does not have to have vaginal sex to contract HPV. It can also be spread during oral and anal sex and as a person who attended a Catholic school that taught abstinence, there was plenty of both of these other two types of sex going on during high school. Because, unfortunately, many of my classmates told me they were still virgins and "doing it in the butt" didn't count. Abstinence means different things to different people.

    This isn't meant to be a dig, to be honest, just a glimpse into our world. I teach sex education and the world "virgin" is different for everyone. Virginity is a values word that is linked directly with ones beliefs. (I don't actually use it is while teaching sex education because of this - facts only.)

    On this topic, I'm of the age where the HPV vaccine was just coming out and I was still under the cut-off age (26). Given that I had not yet become sexually active, my mom begged me to get this vaccine at my college health center. It was not covered by insurance at the time and she paid out of pocket for it for me ($200/per shot!). My mother was adopted and does not know her medical history, so she saw this as a chance to help me avoid cancer in the future.

    A few years later, I had a friend diagnosed with cervical cancer at age 27. She did not get the vaccine. She is doing well now, but it was a long road.
    To me abstinence means any and all sexual contact - vaginal, oral, anal, whatever. How do you define it in your classes? Or are you allowed to even say the word? Or introduce the concept of waiting to have sex until married? Thank you for the kind tone of your reply. Glad your friend is doing well.
  9. by   BostonFNP
    Here is another interesting study that found most nonmedical exemptions were due to concern about vaccines causing harm and the parents of these children reported relative doubt about vaccine safety and efficacy as well as low levels of trust in the government and medical/public health experts as well as relative doubt their child was susceptible to the disease.

    Perhaps tellingly, parents were also less likely to participate in the survey if they had refused vaccines.

    Salmon, D. A., Moulton, L. H., Omer, S. B., Patricia deHart, M., Stokley, S., & Halsey, N. A. (2005). Factors associated with refusal of childhood vaccines among parents of school-aged children: a case-control study. Archives of pediatrics & adolescent medicine, 159(5), 470-476.

    We also know that if your social media circle includes anti-vaxxers you are less likely to vaccinate.

    Brunson, E. K. (2013). The impact of social networks on parents’ vaccination decisions. Pediatrics, peds-2012.
  10. by   BostonFNP
    Quote from Kooky Korky
    To me abstinence means any and all sexual contact - vaginal, oral, anal, whatever. How do you define it in your classes? Or are you allowed to even say the word? Or introduce the concept of waiting to have sex until married? Thank you for the kind tone of your reply. Glad your friend is doing well.
    "Using the most recent national data (2005) from all U.S. states with information on sex education laws or policies (N = 48), we show that increasing emphasis on abstinence education is positively correlated with teenage pregnancy and birth rates"

    "A multivariate analysis of teen pregnancy and birth rates identified the level of abstinence education as a significant influence on teen pregnancy and birth rates across states (pregnancies F = 5.620, p = 0.002; births F = 11.814, p<0.001)."

    Stanger-Hall, K. F., & Hall, D. W. (2011). Abstinence-only education and teen pregnancy rates: why we need comprehensive sex education in the US. PLoS One, 6(10), e24658.
  11. by   BostonFNP
    Quote from Kooky Korky
    Hepatitis is scheduled for birth or 1 month.
    Why is that do you think? Maybe it's because 1/4 babies that get infected with HBV die prematurely?
  12. by   wtbcrna
    Quote from Kooky Korky
    How high is highly?
    I guess you would need to ask the original poster of the comment I was referring to.
  13. by   Horseshoe
    Quote from Kooky Korky

    You never know when you might be able to share knowledge that someone else might not have - such as in this instance when you have stated a reason for pushing for herd immunity. Your reason had not occurred to me.
    Frankly, I'm wondering why it wasn't taught to you as part of your nursing education.

    ARE you a nurse?

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