Are anti-vaccine people conspiracy theorists generally? - page 30

I have an old friend from years ago who I now keep in touch with on Facebook. Her posts are fascinating in the amazing variety of conspiracy theories, some outrageous, some maybe partially true.... Read More

  1. by   hherrn
    I am officially switching sides in this thread, and am now rooting for Kooky.

    This thread is a microcosm of our current political reality. On the one side, we have things like objective truth, facts, science, and logic. On the other side we have Kooky.

    The one side has always believed that objective truth, facts, science, and logic will win out, and continue to use that strategy. And, the other side is, well, Kooky. It is like having a debate with somebody who speaks a different language. And, Kooky isn't going to change, and there is no particular reason Kooky needs to win the debate.

    Kooky, you have an impressive ability to engage people. My prediction is that you will be able to continue until it generates enough hostility that somebody violates TOS, and this thread gets closed.

    In the mean time, I am on the sidelines rooting for you. I do reserve the right to come back in if there is any reasonable discussion.
  2. by   hppygr8ful
    Quote from wtbcrna
    . The HPV vaccine is effectively the cure most HPV caused cancers.
    I am sure you meant that HPV is a effective way to prevent most cervical cancer. In fact it inoculates against 13 specific stains of HPV the last time I checked. When it first came out it was 9. Once the cancer is there treatment is the only way to cure it.

    Hppy
  3. by   hppygr8ful
    Quote from RunnerNurse09
    Read post above. Sorry , still not sold on the HPV vaccine. The effectiveness of the flu vaccine is a shot in the dark because it's a guessing game as to what strain is going around. I have gotten the flu the same year as getting the vaccine, so that year it wasn't effective. So it did nothing for the patients I took care of when I was contagious before I knew I had it.
    I am immune to certain strains. Learned that last year's after taking care of 3 family members who had it, and I never got sick. Some vaccines have their place, some do not. You have your opinion, I have mine. If a job I have requires it, yes I'll get it. Other than that I wont.

    While my son received all of his vaccines I felt very much the same you did about the HPV. Since it was originally a girl's vaccine it was off my radar. When my pediatrician recommended it I dismissed him out of hand. My pediatrician felt strongly enough about it to call me at home and discuss the vaccine. What it came to was - "If you could do one thing for your child to prevent him getting HPV related cancer or keep him from passing it to a partner why wouldn't you do it?" that made me think.
    My son ultimately got the vaccine which is now two shots not three and according to the man cub less painful than his flu shot.

    Hppy
  4. by   BostonFNP
    Quote from Kooky Korky

    And you still haven't bothered to answer my questions, reasonable though they are.
    What are your questions, we will answer them directly.

    While we are at it, you haven't answered the one I have asked you several times: what have you read that supports your position and can you cite the sources here so we can read it?
  5. by   Farawyn
  6. by   Flatline
    Funny how something so basic, so fundamental to modern medicine, so well established in science is still debated.

    I wonder if the anti-vaccine people are the same people I see leaving the bathroom without washing their hands?
  7. by   hherrn
    Quote from Flatline
    Funny how something so basic, so fundamental to modern medicine, so well established in science is still debated.

    I wonder if the anti-vaccine people are the same people I see leaving the bathroom without washing their hands?
    Another shill for Big Soap.
  8. by   Farawyn
    Quote from hherrn
    Another shill for Big Soap.
    Ahahhaaaaaaa!!!
  9. by   canoehead
    Quote from Flatline

    I wonder if the anti-vaccine people are the same people I see leaving the bathroom without washing their hands?
    That was rude and uncalled for.
  10. by   Tenebrae
    Quote from Kooky Korky
    It's interesting that public health is not at stake apparently when it comes to HIV or even full-blown AIDS.
    Possibly because HIV isn't as easily transmissible as people believed it to be in the 1980s. You cant catch it from touching a contaminated surface, or from hugging someone. colds and flu, much more easily transmissable

    As for AIDS, due to advances in retroviral therapy HIV is no longer the same death sentence it once was, people live long happy lives
  11. by   Tenebrae
    Quote from Kooky Korky
    There was definitely no quarantine or other public health measure in the beginning. I lived through that time so don't even think of telling me there were. This known killer disease was so politicized that normal public health measures were suspended in dealing with it.
    Instead people generally resorted to uninformed mass hysteria.

    Eve Van Grafthorst one example of how people with the disease were run out of town and country.

    I lived through it as well
  12. by   hherrn
    I wonder if the anti-vaccine people are the same people I see leaving the bathroom without washing their hands?

    Quote from canoehead
    That was rude and uncalled for.
    That is an interesting perspective. Why is it rude? it a bad analogy?
  13. by   Farawyn
    *bump*
    Happy Monday!
    Get your flu shots!

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