RN's forced to do CNA work - page 6

I am a new nurse and was wondering if this is a standard practice. When my floor needs to use a CNA to sit with a patient, they often have an RN take on the CNA's job for that shift. The RN no... Read More

  1. Visit  ~PedsRN~ profile page
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    We are often down techs for one reason or another -- and when that happens, each nurse just steps it up and "techs" on their own patients.

    Not sure why the unit would see it as a better use of resources to be down a nurse and up a tech, rather than to have each nurse simply do all the CNA duties on their assigned patients?
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  2. Visit  wyogypsy profile page
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    [/QUOTE]I can pretty much guarantee after you've grown a few greys and are a little crispier around the edges, you'll welcome any aide work for RN pay you can get![/QUOTE]

    I love helping the CNAs, but working in LTC I just can't do as much of the transferring, turning, etc. as I used to. I do fine helping, and answering lights, but absolutely couldn't do a few 12 hour shifts of it, especially in a row. My poor old body isn't what it used to be.
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  3. Visit  Geslina profile page
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    I agree with the OP. I didn't go to nursing school so that I could do CNA work when my boss had scheduling problems with the aides, which happens a lot where I work. Not only is CNA work backbreaking and dirty, to me it's also pretty boring. I work in LTC, almost every one of the 28 patients I am responsible for is incontinent. I don't mind helping out in emergency situations, but the reason we have aides in the first place is so that nurses can focus on the duties they were educated for. I do not want to do patient care, not even at a RN wages. I don't like the work, and I don't think it is "part of nursing" - an occasional necessity, yes, but not a huge part of the job. If it was, I probably would not have become a nurse.
  4. Visit  Rose_Queen profile page
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    Quote from Geslina
    I agree with the OP. I didn't go to nursing school so that I could do CNA work when my boss had scheduling problems with the aides, which happens a lot where I work. Not only is CNA work backbreaking and dirty, to me it's also pretty boring. I work in LTC, almost every one of the 28 patients I am responsible for is incontinent. I don't mind helping out in emergency situations, but the reason we have aides in the first place is so that nurses can focus on the duties they were educated for. I do not want to do patient care, not even at a RN wages. I don't like the work, and I don't think it is "part of nursing" - an occasional necessity, yes, but not a huge part of the job. If it was, I probably would not have become a nurse.
    All I'm going to say is wow. CNA work IS nursing work, it just happens to be tasks that can be delegated. I'm sure no one jumps for joy when cleaning up poop, but it is part of a nurse's responsibilities. Whose license and/or job do you think is going to be jeopardized when patients suffer from skin breakdown/infection/whatever because the nurse was "above" so-called CNA work?
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  5. Visit  Glycerine82 profile page
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    I agree with the OP. I didn't go to nursing school so that I could do CNA work when my boss had scheduling problems with the aides, which happens a lot where I work. Not only is CNA work backbreaking and dirty, to me it's also pretty boring. I work in LTC, almost every one of the 28 patients I am responsible for is incontinent. I don't mind helping out in emergency situations, but the reason we have aides in the first place is so that nurses can focus on the duties they were educated for. I do not want to do patient care, not even at a RN wages. I don't like the work, and I don't think it is "part of nursing" - an occasional necessity, yes, but not a huge part of the job. If it was, I probably would not have become a nurse.


    You couldn't be more wrong. The reason you have CNA's is so that they can help you do your job. It is all " Nursing work" there is no such thing as "CNA" work. IMHO you should absolutely not have become a nurse if that is your mentality. You don't want to do patient care? Perhaps you should work in health insurance or some other office nursing job.
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  6. Visit  teelatice15 profile page
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    Quote from Glycerine82

    You couldn't be more wrong. The reason you have CNA's is so that they can help you do your job. It is all " Nursing work" there is no such thing as "CNA" work. IMHO you should absolutely not have become a nurse if that is your mentality. You don't want to do patient care? Perhaps you should work in health insurance or some other office nursing job.
    Well said!!! Nurses who speak this way do not understand the true concept of NURSING!!! CNA=Certified Nursing Assistant which means they are there to ASSIST you with YOUR Job...I always say being a CNA should be a prerequisite to becoming a Nurse just for people like this.
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  7. Visit  Glycerine82 profile page
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    Thanks, Tee. I don't think i've ever been so offended by an online comment before, LOL. It makes me mad because while I am waiting and waiting to be accepted to nursing school so that I can actually buy groceries without counting every penny there are people who get accepted who don't even want to do it!! cheers!
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  8. Visit  Geslina profile page
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    Giving me time to focus on my other responsibilities IS helping me to do my job. Read what I wrote, stop looking for things to criticize. CNA's by law certainly cannot help me with all of the things I have to do - so there IS a line between the two practices. If there wasn't, there would be chaos. And with the mentality of management these days, if it were possible to have nurses do it all and save money not hiring CNA's, then we nurses WOULD be doing it all - but there simply isn't time to do both and management knows this. This is the reason for training and hiring assistants for nurses, just as people in other fields have assistants, to do the work that their more extensive educations over qualify them for. CNA's have specific duties, just like nurses have specific duties. You may not agree, but this is certainly how it is laid out in employee handbooks, and by state law. If there is no such thing as CNA work, then heck, let the CNA's do the assessments and treatments and give meds as well. Pay them more too, maybe then they will show up for work.

    As for your "humble opinion", it is anything but, telling people that they "absolutely" should not have become a nurse because they don't want to do CNA work. If you like doing it, goody for you, but nurses are not a bunch of robots who all like and want to do the same things.
  9. Visit  Geslina profile page
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    My comment specifically states that CNA's are there to help me to focus on my OWN responsibilities - which is the same as HELPING ME TO DO MY JOB. Do you all know how to read?
  10. Visit  Geslina profile page
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    ohhh...you are not a nurse. Wish I had seen this comment before I spent all that time replying. I misunderstood your position. I was fortunately in a good financial position before nursing school and did not have to worry about money...but I imagine it is very stressful. I hope you will be able to work less when you get accepted to school, so that you can focus more time on studying. At least with your attitude about CNA work, you can do that after graduating during the 2 years (on average) that it takes to find a nursing job these days...and it is expected to get worse with all the changes in health care. I would love to hear from you later, once you start working, when you are in the middle of trying to do 20 things at once that absolutely must get done, you are towards the end of your shift, and someone asks to be put on the toilet, a job that will take at least 15 minutes because they can barely walk and need extensive assistance...honey, I can assure you, you will be looking for the aide to do it because you will not have the time, and you will resent the time it will take cutting into your own work. And most employers will not pay overtime if you do not get your duties done in the shift time. Part of being a nurse is getting the CNA's to do their job so that you can do yours - not doing their job for them. I apologize for seeming testy in my other post, but it is very easy before you have actually worked as a nurse to sit back and say how it SHOULD be, or what nursing really is. I never said I would not do CNA work, I do do it. I help the CNA's whenever I can, because they are my eyes and ears, and I have to rely on some of them to do things I can't do - so I don't want to make enemies of them by acting as if I am too good to do their work. What I said was that I did not WANT to do it, and that I did not LIKE to do it. Do I HAVE to like it to be a good nurse? No, I do not. And I especially resent having to do it because management where I work cannot seem to hire and keep CNA's. So please, before you get all sanctimonious, make sure you are understanding what you read.

    I work with over 20 nurses where I am employed. NOT ONE OF THEM likes doing patient care. Not ONE. For different reasons, but it all mostly comes down to time constraints. But judging by the way people get jumped on here, by people that are not even nurses, for goodness sake, I can see why no one wants to admit to it.
  11. Visit  julz68 profile page
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    Quote from Geslina
    My comment specifically states that CNA's are there to help me to focus on my OWN responsibilities - which is the same as HELPING ME TO DO MY JOB. Do you all know how to read?
    I'm not sure if you work in LTC or in acute care in the hospital, but if it is the hospital, you should be thankful that you have CNAs at all. Most hospitals in my area, including my own, have moved to RN total patient care. We have no CNAs to help us. We do everything!
    At least I am fortunate in the respect that I do enjoy patient care (I was an aide for 16 years) but it just gets frustrating when I'm busy with a pt and there is nobody to help answer the lights of my other pts.
    At least you did say that you try to help your CNAs when you can. Nothing was more irritating to me when I was an aide, than when an RN would go answer a light and then spend time looking for the CNA to take care of the pts needs when the RN could've spent less time doing it themselves.
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  12. Visit  Glycerine82 profile page
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    Seriously? Honey? Seriously?


    Anyone who doesn't like patient care shouldn't be a (bedside) nurse. Patient care is all things related to NURSING. The profession that you joined. What, I'm not a nurse so I don't get to have an opinion? Well, I am a person and I am educated, and you stated that:

    A) You didn't go to school to do CNA work, hence my comment. There is no such thing as CNA only work. Its all YOUR JOB which some of it can be delegated, yes, but its not like the CNA's are there to do those things so that you don't ever have to and that is how you made it sound. Is that not what you are saying? Some facilities have an all RN staff and all the above falls under the nurse.

    and B) That you don't like patient care. If you don't like patient care why the crap did you become a nurse? Of course everyone has one aspect or another that they don't like but come on. That is my opinion. People who don't like patient care shouldn't be in nursing. Period. Or, they should be in an aspect of nursing that.....oh, I don't know, doesn't have patients. You are saying you don't like taking care of patients, because that's what patient care is. Do we have different definitions of the phrase?

    No, I am not a nurse (yet) BUT i work alongside some wonderful nurses. Side by side with them and I see what its like. I watch what they do and although I haven't physically done it yet, I get it. Not in the same way I'll get It when I'm a nursing student and a nurse but its not like I deliver Pizzas. I totally get it when they are too busy to help me and they totally get it when I need help doing an occupied bed strip. They totally get it when I can't be two places at once and if they are able they go to my other patient for me. And in return I am there to help them do whatever they need me to. I'll collect a specimen, label it and send it to the lab, all things I don't have to do but if it helps them out I'm glad to do it. No, obviously I can't pass meds or hang blood but there are a lot of things that I can do and they appreciate it. And btw, legally I can do whatever they delegate to me in short of passing meds. I can put in foleys, do EKG's, draw blood ....whatever. Its not the norm but it is perfectly legal.

    OH and I have a job waiting for me when I graduate because I work in a hospital and they are paying for my tuition. In return I have agreed to sign on with them when I become a nurse but that is beside the point.

    I do apologize for my harshness but it really gets my panties in a twist when I hear a nurse insinuate that CNA work is beneath them or that they shouldn't have to do it and I am being honest when I say that I have never met a nurse who told me they didn't like patient care yet still liked and wanted to continue (bedside) nursing.

    What I will add however, is that I do recognize that LTC is much harder than it is in the hospital and you likely don't have time to do much more than pass meds.
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  13. Visit  julz68 profile page
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    Quote from Glycerine82
    Seriously? Honey? Seriously?

    Anyone who doesn't like patient care shouldn't be a (bedside) nurse. Patient care is all things related to NURSING. The profession that you joined. What, I'm not a nurse so I don't get to have an opinion? Well, I am a person and I am educated, and you stated that:

    A) You didn't go to school to do CNA work, hence my comment. There is no such thing as CNA only work. Its all YOUR JOB which some of it can be delegated, yes, but its not like the CNA's are there to do those things so that you don't ever have to and that is how you made it sound. Is that not what you are saying? Some facilities have an all RN staff and all the above falls under the nurse.

    and B) That you don't like patient care. If you don't like patient care why the crap did you become a nurse? Of course everyone has one aspect or another that they don't like but come on. That is my opinion. People who don't like patient care shouldn't be in nursing. Period. Or, they should be in an aspect of nursing that.....oh, I don't know, doesn't have patients. You are saying you don't like taking care of patients, because that's what patient care is. Do we have different definitions of the phrase?

    No, I am not a nurse (yet) BUT i work alongside some wonderful nurses. Side by side with them and I see what its like. I watch what they do and although I haven't physically done it yet, I get it. Not in the same way I'll get It when I'm a nursing student and a nurse but its not like I deliver Pizzas. I totally get it when they are too busy to help me and they totally get it when I need help doing an occupied bed strip. They totally get it when I can't be two places at once and if they are able they go to my other patient for me. And in return I am there to help them do whatever they need me to. I'll collect a specimen, label it and send it to the lab, all things I don't have to do but if it helps them out I'm glad to do it. No, obviously I can't pass meds or hang blood but there are a lot of things that I can do and they appreciate it. And btw, legally I can do whatever they delegate to me in short of passing meds. I can put in foleys, do EKG's, draw blood ....whatever. Its not the norm but it is perfectly legal.

    OH and I have a job waiting for me when I graduate because I work in a hospital and they are paying for my tuition. In return I have agreed to sign on with them when I become a nurse but that is beside the point.

    I do apologize for my harshness but it really gets my panties in a twist when I hear a nurse insinuate that CNA work is beneath them or that they shouldn't have to do it and I am being honest when I say that I have never met a nurse who told me they didn't like patient care yet still liked and wanted to continue (bedside) nursing.

    What I will add however, is that I do recognize that LTC is much harder than it is in the hospital and you likely don't have time to do much more than pass meds.
    You go, Girl! You sound like the type of CNA that I once was. You are going to be an AWESOME nurse!!!

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