What can I do locally if I am against the mandatory flu vaccine? - page 2
I still believe in personal choice regardless of what president Obama mandates me to do. If I was a drug company giant and stood to make billions of dollars by pushing a vaccine or drug, I might... Read More
10Feb 16, '13 by JZ_RNObama doesn't have anything to do with mandatory flu vaccines. What kind of propaganda garbage are you listening to?
7Feb 17, '13 by KelRN215, BSN, RNI'm really interested to know where this idea of "Obama is forcing me to take the flu shot" came from.... the federal government does not mandate vaccines. Vaccines are not mandatory at all... there are just certain things (like public school or living in a college dorm or working in a hospital) that you are may be excluded from from if you choose not to abide by the vaccine requirements for those things.
4Feb 17, '13 by CapeCodMermaid, RNHonestly haven't we seen enough threads on the evils of the flu vaccine. May you're not old enough to remember when kids got polio before that vaccine was available. We weren't forced to take that vaccine, but our mothers practically ran to the pediatrician's office. Vaccines save lives. Your refusal to be vaccinated could endanger mine.
8Feb 17, '13 by psu_213, BSN, RNQuote from lolakbolakI find it interesting that people take medications every day yet never ask 'what are the inert ingredients and preservatives in this med? What are some severe side effects of the drug?' Yet, they 'blindly' continue to take the med everyday.Does anybody know exactly what the flu vaccine contains?
Never once have a had a patient question the additives in their dose of dilaudid. It is very very rare that someone says 'hey, my life is going to be better if I don't have to take percocet everyday.' Yet some of these individuals think we are trying to poison them with the flu shot.
Skepticism can be good, but it should apply to all meds.
3Feb 17, '13 by LadyFree28, BSN, RNQuote from jadelpnFive kids are in ECMO because of the flu...2ParaFlu, 2 Flu A, 1Flu AB... Two kids have died in the past month because of the Flu...Personal choice is personal choice, and unlikely to be changed or swayed. Until, like me, one gets the flu. And numerous complications from the flu. And feeling like my end had come for a few WEEKS. Yuppers, from this point on, I made a concious decision that if I am exposed to people with the flu in nursing, then I need to protect myself. I have had every good intention "I don't want to mess with my immune system" "the flu shot could make me ill" "It is not natural" "It is the government telling me what I need to do with my body". And as I was hacking up half a lung, could hardly get out of the bed, and had a temperature of 101, that is what swayed me into the way of thinking that perhaps this flu shot idea was not half bad. On the flip side of things, to see an infant intubated because they acquired the flu from someone who did not get vaccinated, changes one's perpective a great deal as well. Kids and elderly people die from this stuff. Crusty old bats like me are reduced to tears for the anguish of it all--especially when one is half crazy with a high fever. It sucks, wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. And governmental conspiricy theories--they could use the strains of the flu for population control--as I thought I was a dead woman. For real.
I also had the flu as severe as that...I remember I was about 20 got dropped from my mom's insurance because I went from full-time to part time in school, and I SWORE I was going to DIE as well. Once I got my own insurance two years later, I NEVER decline the flu shot...never again, especially I got it the year I got insurance and was able to afford the z-pack for the mid-upper respiratory infection from having the flu. I get the flu shot as soon as it is available.
0Feb 17, '13 by morteI have had 62 winters, and never known to have had the flu. The children Ladyfree's post, I would bet you had underlying conditions. HOW many persons actually die of the "flu"? I am thinking rather few. But the federal government, yes the CMMS is the feds after all, wants to force me to have the vaccine, or I can't work, d/t reduced recompense for my employer. Make no mistake, they know exactly what the consequence of that proposed reg was, they get what they want and are protected from lawsuit. Remember that small group of preg. women in Oz in the ICU with the flu? All of them (4or 5, I think) were IgG def, what is the vac going to do for them? We need to understand that death is inevitable, for some it will be flu or the sequelae there of. And no, I am not anti most vaccines, diptheria, pertussis, tetanus, cool with me.
0Feb 17, '13 by pmabrahamGood day:
In my case, I've had the flu shot a number of times over the years; and there have been times I've not had it (I'm 49 if that helps put time in perspective).
Every single time I got the shot, I got sick. Whether I got the flu or not had zero (0) to do with whether I had the flu shot. Sometimes I got the flu even though I had the shot; sometimes I did not get the flu (either way). No matter whether I had the shot or not, if I got the flu, it ran the same time frame for how long it lasted.
Based on that experience over time, I've made the decision (and my wife independently came to the same conconclusion) the flu shot for us was not worth the getting sick part with little to no benefit (i.e. zero protection in our case from getting the flu; and zero time benefit if we did get the flu).
0Feb 17, '13 by Esme12, ASN, BSN, RN Senior Moderatormoved to Pandemic flu forum for bet responses/discussion
3Feb 17, '13 by LadyFree28, BSN, RNQuote from morteEach pt had no underlying problems, no asthma, nothing, all healthy kids...those parents who are suffering did not possibly THINK that they had to decide to take their children off life support because they were HEALTHY.I have had 62 winters, and never known to have had the flu. The children Ladyfree's post, I would bet you had underlying conditions. HOW many persons actually die of the "flu"? I am thinking rather few. But the federal government, yes the CMMS is the feds after all, wants to force me to have the vaccine, or I can't work, d/t reduced recompense for my employer. Make no mistake, they know exactly what the consequence of that proposed reg was, they get what they want and are protected from lawsuit. Remember that small group of preg. women in Oz in the ICU with the flu? All of them (4or 5, I think) were IgG def, what is the vac going to do for them? We need to understand that death is inevitable, for some it will be flu or the sequelae there of. And no, I am not anti most vaccines, diptheria, pertussis, tetanus, cool with me.
The flu can be deadly for anyone...don't think that you have to have an underlying "condition" and lull yourself into a false sense of security...those people or children in our communities end up in the ICU. A few yes, but it doesn't matter...it's REAL.
1Feb 17, '13 by Altra, BSN, RN GuideInfluenza-Associated Pediatric Mortality
Pediatric influenza mortality statistics from CDC surveillance.
4Feb 17, '13 by jadelpn, LPN, EMT-B Guide5 week old, full term healthy not an issue in the world infant. At 6 weeks, intubated, and clinging to life.
You know what? If someone thinks their own immune system can fight the flu, that is awesome, however, think about those among us whose can't.
For myself, I was never one to get sick. Ever. Just didn't. Don't like meds, shots, or to be told I "HAD" to do a thing when it came to decisions about my body. And it hit me like a ton of bricks. Since I have had a shot each year, I (and I don't take any regular meds, and when I have had to in the past, I am not one to react well to most meds) have never gotten ill from the shot, and thankfully, have never had even a quarter of the illness that the flu was.
Peoples own choices are just that, people's own choices. But the life you save may not be your own, but someone who is too young to get a shot.
0Feb 20, '13 by pmabrahamGood day:
Is the CDC Wrong to Endorse Tamiflu? - Nextgov.com is an interesting read.
6Feb 20, '13 by Glycerine82, LPNQuote from lolakbolakI actually do have a patient recovering from GBS.....I still believe in personal choice regardless of what president Obama mandates me to do.
If I was a drug company giant and stood to make billions of dollars by pushing a vaccine or drug, I might just interfere in policy and advertising to increase my profit. If you have a patient who is struggling to recover after GBS and it doesn't bother you a bit, then I am at a loss for words. Does anybody know exactly what the flu vaccine contains? How confident are you in these drug trials where billions of dollars at at stake?
Did you know you can just as easily, if not more so, get GBS from the flu itself?