Apparently per the EEOC's guidelines employers (not just healthcare related) can mandate vaccination of workers. The exception is a "sincerely held religious belief" or a covered disability. Just found out this morning that a chain of for profit LTC/SNF's are rolling out a Covid vaccine mandate for all direct care staff or face indefinite unpaid administrative leave. I am a heavy supporter of vaccination and of the new COVID vaccine and in fact am due to get one in early January. But I am doing so of my own volition. My facility encouraged all workers to sign up for a vaccine and provided information sessions and it's been really effective at getting people to sign up.
Even though I would disagree with someone's choice to not vaccinate, I don't believe they should be mandated at this point.
Hopefully, so few people will remain in the "Blue states" that are aggressively enforcing these policies that there will still be enough RN's left behind to take care of the stragglers. We (states like Florida) will welcome the RNs who wish to leave the oppression of states that require these vaccinations on a mandatory basis and who wish to maintain a modicum of control over what medicines and vaccines they do and do not take.
55 minutes ago, nursej22 said:
In my humble opinion, I think it's time to stop feeding the troll.
However, I will continue to watch, if only for entertainment value. For any instructors out there, this thread has provided prime examples for a research class on how not to choose reference articles and how not to interpret them.
Whatever else I may be I hold all of my beliefs with great sincerity which pretty much precludes the insulting "troll" definition. I have probably been a member in this forum longer than 80% of you and have never posted anything other than beliefs I held with sincerity.
Whatever else I may be I hold all of my beliefs with great sincerity which pretty much precludes the insulting "troll" definition. I have probably been a member in this forum longer than 80% of you and have never posted anything other than beliefs I held with sincerity.
Internet troll definition from Wikipedia: "In Internet slang, a troll is a person who starts flame wars or intentionally upsets people on the Internet. This is typically done by posting inflammatory and digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog), with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses and normalizing tangential discussion."
In addition to COVID, you have brought up gun ownership, your personal income and student debt, secession, and having a vegetable stand in Wyoming.
Perhaps there should be a spirituality forum where you can express your beliefs without have to keep up the pretense of basing them on science.
For what it's worth, I have been a member since 2002.
Employees of the Houston Methodist Hospital system in Texas are up against a deadline. They have to get a COVID-19 vaccine by June 7 or they could be fired....
University of Southern California, for example, says its faculty, students, and staff who will be on campus are required to get a COVID-19 vaccine by June 1....
Lawrence O. Gostin, a professor at the Georgetown University Law Center in Washington, D.C., who specializes in health law, said, “As long as they can make sure that everybody who wants a vaccine can get a vaccine, I think it’s ethically and legally permissible.
“Ethically permissible because there’s a duty to create a safe environment for people to be in,” he told Healthline. “And while people have a right to make decisions about their own health and well-being, they have no right to expose another person to a potentially dangerous, even fatal, infectious disease.”
With vaccines widely available across South Florida, one question that remains is whether employers will require workers to get the shot.
Several cruise lines like Royal Caribbean Group and Norwegian Cruise Line decided to require passengers and crew to be vaccinated in order to set sail one day.
The cruise industry is the only one that has widely adopted the mandate for employees to be vaccinated before embarking on a trip....
Internet troll definition from Wikipedia: "In Internet slang, a troll is a person who starts flame wars or intentionally upsets people on the Internet. This is typically done by posting inflammatory and digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog), with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses and normalizing tangential discussion."
In addition to COVID, you have brought up gun ownership, your personal income and student debt, secession, and having a vegetable stand in Wyoming.
Perhaps there should be a spirituality forum where you can express your beliefs without have to keep up the pretense of basing them on science.
For what it's worth, I have been a member since 2002.
The things I brought up were in "defense" of anti gun posts or other points. At no time have I ever said anything that I do not sincerely believe or feel and have never done so with the intention of hurting anyone's feelings. My own SO begs me daily to not post things that "could hurt my career", but she understands that standing up for what I believe is fundamental for me (and indeed what I post here is pretty much how I talked in person when I worked ICU). I advocate for what I believe to the best of my ability. If not me then who? Who else will stand up (at least on this forum) for the 30% plus of health care workers concerned about taking a vaccine that we feel is unproven? Who else will make the case that adverse events as reported in VAERS are a serious matter? Who else would have advocated that Covid had a "likely" lab leak origin rather than natural (I go further and allege is was at least a gain of function creation if not deliberately engineered)? If you just want the same unchallenged opinions "passed around the table" then you are unlikely to convince many. Most of the remaining people who are "vaccine hesitant" feel much as I do and if there isn't discussion how do you hope to ever make progress (and the number is closer to 40 to 45% out side of health care). If you just call us "all trolls" and advocate censorship then we will all just end up only talking to people who agree with us and live in a world of our own confirmation biases foresever.
Vaccination cards from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention aren't quite the same as a vaccine passport. Though they are a record of what vaccine a person got and when, they can easily be forged.
PS: This isn't a Blue state -red state issue, rather a PUBLIC HEALTH PANDEMIC issue --- which is NOT over and will be roaring back this fall in some US areas.
Warning: Ensure one has adequate PPE in your locker to be prepared for fall in hot spot areas with limited immunization.
62%. That’s the percentage of American adults who have received at least one dose of a Covid-19 vaccine. Just under half—49.6%—of American adults are fully vaccinated.
...Vermont has partially or fully vaccinated 81% of its adults, while Hawaii, New Hampshire and Massachusetts have all partially or fully inoculated more than 75%.
Connecticut, Maine, New Jersey, Rhode Island, Pennsylvania, New Mexico, Maryland and California have all at least partially immunized 70% of their adults.
Mississippi has partially or fully vaccinated the least amount of adults of any state in the country—43%—while Alabama, Arkansas, Idaho, Louisiana, Wyoming and West Virginia have also at least partially vaccinated less than 50% of their adults.
PS: This isn't a Blue state -red state issue, rather a PUBLIC HEALTH PANDEMIC issue --- which is NOT over and will be roaring back this fall in some US areas.
Warning: Ensure one has adequate PPE in your locker to be prepared for fall in hot spot areas with limited immunization.
Also, in having dinner last week with several coworkers from the old HCA where I worked I learned that while some employees are vaccinating many are not and that HCA Florida has no plans to require them. Note I am in the unusual position of defending HCA which I have in the past stated I would dedicate my life to taking down "brick by brick" if necessary. Still on this issue I am grateful they seem to be standing up for employees rights to decline these vaccines especially while they are emergency use. Also. our Governor indicates he will block cruise ships from requiring proof of vaccinations https://www.sun-sentinel.com/business/fl-bz-silversea-cruises-to-require-vaccinations-20210412-7ok6fwabpndc5aop6oyla5tgvq-story.html . I do not believe that he can fail to keep this promise and still remain a viable Presidential candidate in 2020 for the Republicans. Out of the 30 or so guys that I graduated from high school with in Indiana maybe 5 have vaccinated and the rest feel strongly on this issue and would never support him if he caved on this issue.
If those statistics are indeed accurate then it probably implies (given the high number of deaths reported to VAERS a passive surveillance system that likely undercounts adverse events) that more people in those nations are dying of the vaccines than the virus and yet so many approve of mandating it for healthcare workers https://www.revolver.news/2021/06/revolver-part-one-covid-vaers-deaths-cover-up/ . Indeed at least in the case of this incident/child there is evidence of deliberate removal of an adverse event from VAERS involving a child's death https://greatgameindia.com/CDC-removes-vaers-entry/ At least RN's and other's forced to take these vaccines on pain of job loss may be eligible to recover under the Vaccine Injury Compensation Fund https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effects-compensation-lawsuit.html however all claims must be filed within a year and accurate reporting to VAERS is an important first step making VAERS reporting all the more important.
If those statistics are indeed accurate then it probably implies (given the high number of deaths reported to VAERS a passive surveillance system that likely undercounts adverse events) that more people in those nations are dying of the vaccines than the virus and yet so many approve of mandating it for healthcare workers https://www.revolver.news/2021/06/revolver-part-one-covid-vaers-deaths-cover-up/ . Indeed at least in the case of this incident/child there is evidence of deliberate removal of an adverse event from VAERS involving a child's death https://greatgameindia.com/CDC-removes-vaers-entry/ At least RN's and other's forced to take these vaccines on pain of job loss may be eligible to recover under the Vaccine Injury Compensation Fund https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effects-compensation-lawsuit.html however all claims must be filed within a year and accurate reporting to VAERS is an important first step making VAERS reporting all the more important.
I am starting to worry about your emotional health. Please take care of yourself, and let others make their own decisions about vaccinations.
If those statistics are indeed accurate then it probably implies (given the high number of deaths reported to VAERS a passive surveillance system that likely undercounts adverse events) that more people in those nations are dying of the vaccines than the virus and yet so many approve of mandating it for healthcare
I have not read every post in this train wreck of a thread, but this particular gem deserves mention.
Did you actually take this amazing achievement of a zero death rate due to vaccination and try to portray it as a negative?
There is no "probably implies" about it.
Mathematically correct. 1 > 0.
All positive numbers are greater than zero.
Also your concepts of "rights" may in fact be different from mine given that you live in nation that does not have the same Bill of Rights and other Amendments.
Are you seriously saying that only the US has freedom and rights? Are you really that ignorant of what happens in the world? Let me give you a quick clue - look up Magna Carta, European Convention of Human Rights, UK employment law - which makes US employment conditions look like slave labour, European Working Time Directive.
Do you get the idea? The US may have a Bill of Rights and Amendments but so what? What about the 13th Amendment that legalizes slavery?
US is ranked 44th in the world for press freedom - UK is 33rd (Norway is first). Try doing a Google search for freedoms in countries - the results will (should) worry you.
Sorry moderators, I know this is off topic but I felt this particular poster needed some education about the world he lives in following his comment to me.
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Hopefully, so few people will remain in the "Blue states" that are aggressively enforcing these policies that there will still be enough RN's left behind to take care of the stragglers. We (states like Florida) will welcome the RNs who wish to leave the oppression of states that require these vaccinations on a mandatory basis and who wish to maintain a modicum of control over what medicines and vaccines they do and do not take.
Whatever else I may be I hold all of my beliefs with great sincerity which pretty much precludes the insulting "troll" definition. I have probably been a member in this forum longer than 80% of you and have never posted anything other than beliefs I held with sincerity.