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What are the strengths and deficits of this organization? I've heard pros and cons lately. I do think, if there are problems, the time to address them is AFTER this crisis.

I'd love to learn information from fellow nurses.

Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
1 minute ago, juniper222 said:

You are mixing up science and politics. And I need not prove ANYTHING to you. Especially considering your crass nature. I have witnessed these things throughout decades of watching, listening, and reading all forms of media from all sources. I developed my conservative stance over years of observation. Just remember, there are people who have different views than you and you'd better get used to that.

No you don't. But making claims which represent your opinion and passing them off as fact, in a nursing forum, and then huffing about burden of proof does reflect generally upon your credibility and factual trustworthiness in discussions.

Is it possible that you also struggle accepting other's views, is that something you could get used to?

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9 minutes ago, juniper222 said:

You are mixing up science and politics. And I need not prove ANYTHING to you. Especially considering your crass nature. I have witnessed these things throughout decades of watching, listening, and reading all forms of media from all sources. I developed my conservative stance over years of observation. Just remember, there are people who have different views than you and you better get used to that.

You seem really confused. I'm the one who keeps providing peer reviewed credible sources while you're the one having temper tantrums, refusing to look at famously credible reports and sources, slandering them and credentialed journalists as being "biased". All apparently because they dared to do something more than lie in adulation at your Presidents feet with you.

No, you don't have to engage me but if you keep posting Limbaugh style rhetoric and insisting we all fall at your feet in denial with you over the hard facts your president indeed was repeatedly warned of Corvid and did nothing, you better believe I'm going to call it.

You don't like it? That;s too bad. I, my kids and ultimately grandchildren have to live with this shipwreck that was entirely preventable, doctors and nurses are dying on the job and I don't give one hoot about your feelings. No offense.

PS - I'm crass? LOL. Have you met yourself?????

Consider that what actually is upsetting you may be the weaknesses in your ideological dogma being exposed.

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55 minutes ago, HeartlandRN said:

Which of it was an "opinion piece" and please provide objective evidence or drop it.

Clearly it may be easier for you to believe, somehow, your president never saw the news until the end of March as the rest of us watched the disaster unfold in China and that every hard article proving he was warned over and over is some leftwing hit piece making it up,

I dont think anyone claimed Trump didn't know about the virus until March, clearly he was working on it in Jan:

https://pjmedia.com/trending/timeline-the-trump-administrations-decisive-actions-to-combat-the-coronavirus-pandemic/

The disaster unfolding in China was played down and lied about by both China and the WHO yet Trump still continued to work.

Yes, Trump was warned about the virus early as well as Congress (according to your article). What did Congress do in that time, what did hospitals do in that time, what did state governors do in that time. Not very much apparently and now they just sit back and blame Trump playing Monday morning quarterback. How many covid deaths in NYC alone, what was Cuomo and Debalsio doing all that time? Other state with a large rate of fatalities is Calif, what was Newsom doing?

Like PP said, there is enough blame to go around.

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8 minutes ago, Daisy4RN said:

I dont think anyone claimed Trump didn't know about the virus until March, clearly he was working on it in Jan:

https://pjmedia.com/trending/timeline-the-trump-administrations-decisive-actions-to-combat-the-coronavirus-pandemic/

The disaster unfolding in China was played down and lied about by both China and the WHO yet Trump still continued to work.

Yes, Trump was warned about the virus early as well as Congress (according to your article). What did Congress do in that time, what did hospitals do in that time, what did state governors do in that time. Not very much apparently and now they just sit back and blame Trump playing Monday morning quarterback. How many covid deaths in NYC alone, what was Cuomo and Debalsio doing all that time? Other state with a large rate of fatalities is Calif, what was Newsom doing?

Like PP said, there is enough blame to go around.

Well, thank you for admitting he knew at least. It's something. At that poin it needed swift coordinated action at the National Federal Level. That would be the Administration, Health and Human Services, assessing inventory such as ventilators and PPE , expanding capacity, employing the Defense Production Act, setting up rigorous test and trace operations , working WITH the states.

Congress would not have the ability to do this. what they can do is fund the initiatives.

It's unfortunate this didn't happen. We will all be paying dearly for a long long time. I in fact believe our great grandchildren will still be paying for it.

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Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
3 minutes ago, Daisy4RN said:

I dont think anyone claimed Trump didn't know about the virus until March, clearly he was working on it in Jan:

https://pjmedia.com/trending/timeline-the-trump-administrations-decisive-actions-to-combat-the-coronavirus-pandemic/

The disaster unfolding in China was played down and lied about by both China and the WHO yet Trump still continued to work.

Yes, Trump was warned about the virus early as well as Congress (according to your article). What did Congress do in that time, what did hospitals do in that time, what did state governors do in that time. Not very much apparently and now they just sit back and blame Trump playing Monday morning quarterback. How many covid deaths in NYC alone, what was Cuomo and Debalsio doing all that time? Other state with a large rate of fatalities is Calif, what was Newsom doing?

Like PP said, there is enough blame to go around.

Who exactly is responsible for the federal response to a pandemic? It is telling that you repeat that there is more than enough blame to go around while simultaneously refusing to acknowledge that the Chief Executive is commanding a complete failure of a response. Do you have any blame for the top dog?

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6 minutes ago, Daisy4RN said:

I dont think anyone claimed Trump didn't know about the virus until March, clearly he was working on it in Jan:

https://pjmedia.com/trending/timeline-the-trump-administrations-decisive-actions-to-combat-the-coronavirus-pandemic/

The disaster unfolding in China was played down and lied about by both China and the WHO yet Trump still continued to work.

Yes, Trump was warned about the virus early as well as Congress (according to your article). What did Congress do in that time, what did hospitals do in that time, what did state governors do in that time. Not very much apparently and now they just sit back and blame Trump playing Monday morning quarterback. How many covid deaths in NYC alone, what was Cuomo and Debalsio doing all that time? Other state with a large rate of fatalities is Calif, what was Newsom doing?

Like PP said, there is enough blame to go around.

An entire host of highly credible ciations were provided proving he was aware, arguably well before January. THAT was the time this could have been prevented. The fact is in the middle of MARCH he was still on national television calling it a "Democratic hoax" along with Fox

You defend that if you want. Your grandchildren will still be paying for it.

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1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Perhaps some of that blame should land on Trump.

Never said it shouldn't. I only said not all of it

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Specializes in Travel, Home Health, Med-Surg.
35 minutes ago, HeartlandRN said:

See, there you go again. This is supposedly a scientific themed board. If you are going to claim someone is "biased" (Jim Acosta, etc) then you need something to prove it besides your own Limbaughesque, childish rants.

Oh good grief, how can you not see that Acosta is very bias, it is completely obvious!!

11 minutes ago, HeartlandRN said:

Well, thank you for admitting he knew at least. It's something. At that poin it needed swift coordinated action at the National Federal Level. That would be the Administration, Health and Human Services, assessing inventory such as ventilators and PPE , expanding capacity, employing the Defense Production Act, setting up rigorous test and trace operations , working WITH the states.

Congress would not have the ability to do this. what they can do is fund the initiatives.

It's unfortunate this didn't happen. We will all be paying dearly for a long long time. I in fact believe our great grandchildren will still be paying for it.

I didn't say he wasnt acting, he was.

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13 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Who exactly is responsible for the federal response to a pandemic? It is telling that you repeat that there is more than enough blame to go around while simultaneously refusing to acknowledge that the Chief Executive is commanding a complete failure of a response. Do you have any blame for the top dog?

Trump is responsible for the Federal response and he was working, see the time line I posted. Just like state governors are responsible for the state response, anyone see their time line of actions they were taking. NY and Cal asked for ships and got them, but what did they do to prepare. Same for hospitals, counties etc. There is not one man on earth that can take care of every city, county, state etc. They should have been acting.

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1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

No you don't. But making claims which represent your opinion and passing them off as fact, in a nursing forum, and then huffing about burden of proof does reflect generally upon your credibility and factual trustworthiness in discussions.

Is it possible that you also struggle accepting other's views, is that something you could get used to?

What claims? That Dan Rather lied? That those news sources are biased? That What I saw with my own two eyes was not happening? Be careful not to generalize everyone that disagrees with you on issues. We have different claims and opinions.

At least you are more considerate than others and I applaud you for that. To be honest, I don't think there is much a point to all this because on the political end there will never be a consensus. I have to work now, take care of yourself.

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The WHO as a bureaucracy has its pro's and con's. They have certainly done more good than harm. The fact is that the public health apparatus is designed to respond to disease and mitigate panic when a response would be futile. What was the WHO supposed to do? Announce to the world what any epidemiologist who was worth their weight in gold already knew, that containment was impossible and the spread of a very serious contagion that would overwhelm healthcare systems was imminent.

The reality is that the highest powers in the world knew what was going to unfold, recognized that there was little to do about it, and week-by-week they used public health messaging to groom the public into being agreeable as opposed to an uncontrollable mob.

The most intelligent and informed individuals representing the most capable intelligence agencies in the world warned our president in the early days about what was to come. I'm not a fan of the man, but a Democrat in office would not have saved us from this situation. Now, would their response and coordination of our states been better; I think so - but that is besides the point of this thread.

It isn't a conspiracy theory, it was just the only way to preserve order.

Let's not pretend for a second that the highest channels weren't aware of what would soon unfold. The goal of this administration as always been to undermine the UN and any global union of sorts.

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