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What are the strengths and deficits of this organization? I've heard pros and cons lately. I do think, if there are problems, the time to address them is AFTER this crisis.

I'd love to learn information from fellow nurses.

4 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

And so, I trust the moderators to break the tie relative to inflammatory. Just because one feels inflamed does not mean that the content was inflammatory in some derogatory sense. Lots of political discussion causes people to feel inflamed. So people avoid it and never learn how to have reasoned conversation.

I agree, That is why I asked what inflammatory remarks have I made when being accused of that. I still don't know what you or others see that I have posted that can be construed as such (other than that one slip). What I find inflammatory is being called a troll and uneducated etc. which are insulting and are not conducive to good debate. Saying ,for example, "Trump is an idiot" does not bother me since it was not directed at me and you are entitled to your opinion.

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6 minutes ago, Hoosier_RN said:

Kinda hard to make a sound decision regarding the 3.5 months prior, when the so-called experts that were supposed to be guiding him with information, did not provide said information, or gave incorrect information. They were touting that it was not transferred from human to human, etc. So if information is flawed or not given, what do you expect?

Before you try to turn this politically on me, I'm not a Trump supporter, cannot personally stand to hear him talk. But I support the office of President, regardless of who (and what party) is in office.

Oh, I'm sure you're not. I wasn't sure if your first paragraph was satire?

https://intelnews.org/2020/03/21/01-2742/

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/492361-health-secretary-twice-warned-trump-about-coronavirus-threat-nyt

https://thebulwark.com/warnings-ignored-a-timeline-of-trumps-covid-19-response/

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/timeline-trump-administration-s-response-coronavirus-n1162206

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-admits-downplayed-coronavirus-I-knew-it-could-be-horrible-2020-3

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5 minutes ago, juniper222 said:

These are all biased sources. 

LOL!! That's satire right?? I hope.

if they are "biased" sources than you should have no difficulty provided cited, objective sources (hint: blogs and Alex Jones don't apply) proving that Trump's own HHS secretary didn't twice warn him in December, that he didn't get warnings from WHO in November and from Peter Navarro in January.

You may have difficulty disproving Trump's own quote that he downplayed it because he doesn't like to relay negative news though...

By all means though go get on it. After all you don't have to pass the NCLEX to cover your eyes and ears and shout FAKE NEWS!. ?

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9 minutes ago, juniper222 said:

I agree, That is why I asked what inflammatory remarks have I made when being accused of that. I still don't know what you or others see that I have posted that can be construed as such (other than that one slip). What I find inflammatory is being called a troll and uneducated etc. which are insulting and are not conducive to good debate. Saying ,for example, "Trump is an idiot" does not bother me since it was not directed at me and you are entitled to your opinion.

Your remarks here are finite. Someone told you that they found some of your remarks inflammatory. One response is to review your remarks with an eye and awareness for the perception of others. Sometimes people personalize things unnecessarily in their reading or interpretation, too.

6 minutes ago, juniper222 said:

These are all biased sources.

And you are too biased to even read or consider their reporting.

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On 4/17/2020 at 5:06 PM, hherrn said:

I missed that. I am pretty sure he does not have a state run media. Feel free to pass my opinion on.

Back to my question. You seem reliable and knowledgeable- Educate me on the Democratic state run media. I just watched ABC. I prefer NBC for evening news, but live rural with an antenna, and can't get it lately.

So- was that part of it?

How does it work?

I'm only going to address the media here. I don't know that the Dems control the media so much as the Global elites control the media, and the Dems are on the same wavelength, agenda.

Personally, I don't trust NBC, ABC, CBS, PBS, CNN, MSNBC or any other mainstream media. Just today CNN ran an article about Chris Cuomo coming out of his basement to see his family for first time in several weeks, since positive for covid19. Yet he himself spoke about an altercation he had publicly a week ago.


https://www.theblaze.com/news/cnn-stages-chris-cuomo-emerging-quarantine

Personally I never watch tv news. I read my news online and I'm on Twitter.

The Blaze, the Daily Wire, Breitbart, Daily Caller, Zero Hedge, Gateway Pundit, Prager U videos, Bongino report, Epoch times ... alternative news.
Washington examiner and NYPost and Foxnews are more central


Yes, I'm a conservative, although really more libertarian. I didn't vote for Trump 2016, voted 3rd party. I will vote Trump 2020.


Even if these are too "Far right" for you, at least read them and open your eyes to the fact that much of the msm is just touting the liberal party line. They don't do real journalism any more. Even when our economy had increased to a record 3+% gdp under Trump and unemployment at record lows, the msm still had nothing to say positive about Trump. From day one he has been the devil. Yet, when Obama was in office, they never said a negative thing about him...he was the darling.

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7 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Your remarks here are finite. Someone told you that they found some of your remarks inflammatory. One response is to review your remarks with an eye and awareness for the perception of others. Sometimes people personalize things unnecessarily in their reading or interpretation, too.

And you are too biased to even read or consider their reporting.

I have to give you a lot of credit for patience. Once someone shouts (defacto) FAKE NEWS to an entire host of documented sources ranging from National Intelligence Reports, to Business Insider, the Washington Post, etc, than I'm done with them. Inflammatory or not, I have no problem saying I firmly believe if someone can't accept things that differ with a predrawn emotional opinion, they have absolutely no business in Nursing or any STEMI career.

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19 minutes ago, HeartlandRN said:

Oh, I'm sure you're not. I wasn't sure if your first paragraph was satire?

https://intelnews.org/2020/03/21/01-2742/

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/492361-health-secretary-twice-warned-trump-about-coronavirus-threat-nyt

https://thebulwark.com/warnings-ignored-a-timeline-of-trumps-covid-19-response/

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/timeline-trump-administration-s-response-coronavirus-n1162206

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-admits-downplayed-coronavirus-I-knew-it-could-be-horrible-2020-3

No satire here. All of those sources are very left leaning. Sorry, I will also say the same of any right leaning sources if presented. To look in only one direction makes you look narrow minded. You do realize that a good portion of your sources are opinion pieces, right?

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25 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Except that the credible reporting is in direct conflict with that belief. We know that Trump got good and credible information early and multiple times. He blew it off.

But Trump is a liar providing lies, deflection and excuses, what did you expect? This particular character flaw is not new and wasn't an unknown in 2015.

how do we know? Show me something that isn't an opinion piece. The WHO stated that there wasn't transmission from human to human. That was incorrect

They also stated that travel bans from China weren't appropriate. That was incorrect

The news sources stated that we shouldn't close our borders because it was xenophobic and racist, but then said it was a great bold move when Canada and Mexico closed the borders to us. That is bias. On both sides it was a smart move

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12 minutes ago, Hoosier_RN said:

No satire here. All of those sources are very left leaning. Sorry, I will also say the same of any right leaning sources if presented. To look in only one direction makes you look narrow minded. You do realize that a good portion of your sources are opinion pieces, right?

Not one bit of it is an opinion piece and I'm confident sources like "Business Insider" and national intelligence reporting are not "left leaning" . The Hill certainly is anything but. Perhaps you should do some reflection on why it is you refuse to consider actual unbiased sources.

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12 minutes ago, Hoosier_RN said:

No satire here. All of those sources are very left leaning. Sorry, I will also say the same of any right leaning sources if presented. To look in only one direction makes you look narrow minded. You do realize that a good portion of your sources are opinion pieces, right?

"Very left leaning" versus left center bias with high factual accuracy. It's so far left of where you are starting that you can't conceive of even reading it, apparently. And then we get a lesson in a narrow minded vantage point? Is irony a mineral?

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1 minute ago, HeartlandRN said:

Not one bit of it is an opinion piece and I'm confident sources like "Business Insider" and national intelligence reporting are not "left leaning" . The Hill certainly is anything but. Perhaps you should do some reflection on why it is you refuse to consider actual unbiased sources.

No, I'm more focused on taking care of myself, my team, and patients through this. Maybe some posters on here should self reflect on placing blame and why its so important.

Here's a bite of reality: the company that I work for hasn't had much of an issue with PPE. I have worried mysekf sick about others who aren't so lucky. No one stopped the company that I work for from acquiring those items. No one stopped any other medical facility from doing so either. I'm sorry, I'm not laying total blame at any politicians feet. I lay it at the feet of the corporate cronies and their boards of directors (and yes, they are heavy in both political parties) who have large bonuses while shafting everyone under them

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