We are seeing a few threads on working and studying in the UK for a BSc (Hons) in Health and Social Care at the Anglia Ruskin University or something similar.
Going this route will not enable you to stay in the UK once you have finished. There are no shortage of carers in the UK and even if you are lucky to get a student visa to the UK you will not find a employer willing to assist you to work as a RN as most if not all NHS trusts state they will not assist in work permit unless the job is on the shortage occupation list. Current guidelines for working in the UK is under review and expected to change in November 2008 to a point system and you must pass an English exam although exceptions if you are from a majority English speaking country. Plus EU requirements are employ own citizen first then EU before anywhere else in the world. If you are caught working illegally in the UK there are consequences for you and also fines for the employer. Student visa requires that you can prove you can support yourself and any dependants that come with your and not rely on the state and not work. Please be aware there are scams around and if any doubt what so ever please contact the British embassy in your country and ask them.
Sharrie said " I seem to remember that your Mom has something to do with one of these agencies so I wonder if there's a little personal interest in your active encouragment of these schemes.". Fortunately yes, my mom has a consultancy firm and has assisted a loooot of newly gaaduate nurses and caregivers go to the UK under the NVQ in Health & Social Care program. And that is why I can speak with authority.
Authority or bias
We are all here not for personal interest but to give light to what is the truth, as one sees it. That is why the pros and cons are so encouraging for this will help those undecided to weigh their options.
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You are quite right, there are those of us here who have absolutely nothing to gain, no ties to companies who benefit from this type of program but are just intersted in giving the facts and the reality of living in the UK on minimum wage, as a student with little prospect of work at the end of that course.
Sharrie said " I seem to remember that your Mom has something to do with one of these agencies so I wonder if there's a little personal interest in your active encouragment of these schemes.". Fortunately yes, my mom has a consultancy firm and has assisted a loooot of newly gaaduate nurses and caregivers go to the UK under the NVQ in Health & Social Care program. And that is why I can speak with authority.
We are all here not for personal interest but to give light to what is the truth, as one sees it. That is why the pros and cons are so encouraging for this will help those undecided to weigh their options.
NOW TO NURSES OUT THERE :Tier 2 Point based sytem, skilled workers-general, includes in their Government - approved UK shortage occupation list for tier 2 , as of Nov. 2008, among others, NURSES - JOB TITLES: I quote " ONLY the following job titles within this occupation : registered nurse employed or engaged at band 7 or 8 of the Agenda for Change scale or their independent sector equivalents ; registered nurse at band 5 or above employed or engaged in the following specialties- operating theatre nurse, anaesthetic nurse, operating department practitioner, scrub nurse, theatre nurse, critical nurse (nurses working in critical units with level 2 or 3 classification)." MAC to review evidence by March 2009. This will give Filipino nurses an opportunity to work as a NURSE in the UK. And mind you, everyone interested can just go to the Point based sytem website for guidance. YOU DON'T NEED ANY CONSULTANT OR REPRESENTATIVE to do this.
I wish all of you a HAPPY HAPPY, PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR !
The moderators here are very aware of what is actually happening in the UK at this time, two of them are actually from there and have been nurses there for years.
In order to qualify for the Band 7 or 8, it requires years of experience, and for the specialty areas, they also require years of experience. Even the specialty areas require years of experience for the Band 5 if you are aware of how things are done in the UK.
New nurses going to the UK are not going to be able to remain and work there when they are done with whatever training and that is the point that we are trying to make. They are still going to be considered a new grad and not qualify for what you have listed above. And they will not be working as an RN when they go over for this training program and therefore will not meet the requirements to remain there when they are done as they will also not hold current work experience. They may be able to qualify for one year to remain and work but this will not get them any further, just like the OPT in the US; once it is up, it is up and cannot be extended.
Just because your mother has an agency or consultancy as you call it, she is not the one that issues the visas either. And most facilities in the UK have a hiring freeze in place as well as the fact that critical care nursing as it is practiced in the Philippines is a world apart from what is done in the UK, as well as most other countries.
We are stating things as they are happening. It also makes absolutely no sense for anyone that already holds the BSN to go thru one of these training programs as it will not qualify for them for a visa to remain and live in the UK when all is said and done and that is the point that we are making. Taking someone for a ride is not what we like to see done to nurses here. And that is all that is being done, promises being made that are not going to be kept.
Suzanne, lets not get personal here. You said "Just because your mother has an agency or consultancy as you call it, she is not the one that issues the visas either." I never claim that my mother has a say in issuing a visa. It is a previlege to be issued a visa and NO ONE ABSOLUTELY NO OINE has a claim to that. Only God and the issuing offier knows what the result will be.
Our thread here, as I see it, is putting in writing what each one of us beleives in and in other cases what they actually know and experienced in order to be of help to the readers. I am here for instance to write what little I KNOW as it happens. About the visa, NOT everyone is lucky enough to be granted a student visa. When I worked in an airline and was in charge of international packages ( USA, EUROPE, ASIA, AUSTRALIA) I learned that even those who are financially well off got rejected. There is no clear cut of getting your visa approved. Those who have tried applying from a third world country knows this. But I am already digressing from the topic. Sorry.
This section explains how you can come or stay in the skilled worker category (Tier 2 General) under our points-based system to work in the United Kingdom.
You will find all the answers such as how much point per qualification, how many years experienced required, funds, processing time,etc. It will even lead you to a link of how and where you can have your qualifications evaluated (NARIC). You will get the COMPLETE INFORMATION IN THIS WEBSITE. And to you guys , I wish you good luck and success this 2009 and I pray that God will quide your way. When you gain success, I ask that you just pay forward..... DO NOT THINK OF ANY MONETARY REWARDS. BELEIVE IN KARMA !
Hi.Good day to everyone..I would like to ask if I come to the UK and study nursing directly will it give me the oppurtunity to work there as RN?Or What is "Adaptation Course" in UK? Thank you so much!!!
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Hi.Good day to everyone..I would like to ask if I come to the UK and study nursing directly will it give me the oppurtunity to work there as RN?Or What is "Adaptation Course" in UK? Thank you so much!!!
Studying in the UK will be expensive and not give you any opportunities to work in the UK. Preference will be given to a UK citizen due to the nature of how the courses are run.
Hi.Good day to everyone..I would like to ask if I come to the UK and study nursing directly will it give me the opportunity to work there as RN?Or What is "Adaptation Course" in UK? Thank you so much!!!
You would not be able to study nursing in the UK as an overseas student as there are no universities that I know of accept international students onto the nursing course even if you were succesful when you qualify unless you have very specific skills such as critical care and the organisations that advertise these positions can not fill them from the entire UK and EU nursing populations (which is very unlikely) then you are not going to get work. Even after that
s depressing, but it's the reality of nursing in the UK. By all means read the immigration website and what you need to do, it clearly states the requirements and shortage occupations. You will need significant experience in these areas to even stand a chance at getting shortlisted.
Suzanne, lets not get personal here. You said "Just because your mother has an agency or consultancy as you call it, she is not the one that issues the visas either." I never claim that my mother has a say in issuing a visa. It is a previlege to be issued a visa and NO ONE ABSOLUTELY NO OINE has a claim to that. Only God and the issuing offier knows what the result will be.
Our thread here, as I see it, is putting in writing what each one of us beleives in and in other cases what they actually know and experienced in order to be of help to the readers. I am here for instance to write what little I KNOW as it happens.
As are we Serene, I live in the UK, I know very well the reality of the level of poverty students live in. I have nothing to gain by telling the reality of it, I am not so sure the same could be said about someone who has a vested interest in recruiting into these agencies
This section explains how you can come or stay in the skilled worker category (Tier 2 General) under our points-based system to work in the United Kingdom.
You will find all the answers such as how much point per qualification, how many years experienced required, funds, processing time,etc. It will even lead you to a link of how and where you can have your qualifications evaluated (NARIC). You will get the COMPLETE INFORMATION IN THIS WEBSITE. And to you guys , I wish you good luck and success this 2009 and I pray that God will quide your way. When you gain success, I ask that you just pay forward..... DO NOT THINK OF ANY MONETARY REWARDS. BELEIVE IN KARMA !
of course get your qualifications evaluated, but also read very carefully what this website says, you are only going to get sponsored for a visa if you work in a shortage occupation, there are a few nursing specialities listed, but these will expect a significant amount of experience within these area, so new grads will not qualify, neither will someone who has spent 2 years studying for a course that is not classed as nursing such as the ones described in this thread. If you do have the sufficient experience you will ONLY be considered after UK and EU nurses have been given the opportunity and that employer can demonstrate that they have been unable to fill from this group of nurses, they really do have to prove that they have made a significant effort to recruit from home grown nurses, and this is absolutely as it should be.
As far as monetary rewards, you obviously have not nursed in the UK.
The adaptation course is the course that the nursing and midwifery council insists all overseas nurses undertake before they allow them to register to practice in the UK
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Who can apply as a skilled worker?
Before you apply under the skilled worker category (Tier 2 General), you must have:
a sponsor; and
a valid certificate of sponsorship.
When you apply you are awarded points based on your:
qualifications;
future expected earnings;
sponsorship;
English language skills; and
available maintenance (funds).
To get full details please visit http://www.bia.homeoffice.gov.uk