We are seeing a few threads on working and studying in the UK for a BSc (Hons) in Health and Social Care at the Anglia Ruskin University or something similar.
Going this route will not enable you to stay in the UK once you have finished. There are no shortage of carers in the UK and even if you are lucky to get a student visa to the UK you will not find a employer willing to assist you to work as a RN as most if not all NHS trusts state they will not assist in work permit unless the job is on the shortage occupation list. Current guidelines for working in the UK is under review and expected to change in November 2008 to a point system and you must pass an English exam although exceptions if you are from a majority English speaking country. Plus EU requirements are employ own citizen first then EU before anywhere else in the world. If you are caught working illegally in the UK there are consequences for you and also fines for the employer. Student visa requires that you can prove you can support yourself and any dependants that come with your and not rely on the state and not work. Please be aware there are scams around and if any doubt what so ever please contact the British embassy in your country and ask them.
I've seen this "Study and work in UK" streamers everywhere here in my place. Some streamers promise 90th pesos a month wage.. I've almost shelled out 250th philippine peso to join this study to UK bandwagon.
Yes you earned more than 90th pesos a month. What about your monthly rentals, necessities, and food?? I've heard UK is a very expensive place...
I don't know if this is really a scam or not. They promise working permits in 2 years...
Anyone out their studying and working in the UK?? Hows your life their.
Just trying to work out the conversions, 90th peso I make is about £1200 each month.
Out of that you will have to pay rent and that will depend on where you live, in London you could be looking at £200 - 500 each week, Bristol £500 - 700 each month. Ontop of that you will have to pay gas and electric, food, council tax, fuel/transport cost. It is very expensive to live in the UK and £1200 is not going to stretch very far.
As for gaining a work permit in 2 years, it may be worth asking exactly how they are going to manage that as the UK boarders agency are making it more difficult to get work permits in an attempt to keep UK citizens in work. Companies are going bankrupt every day here, there is a great deal of financial insecurity and jobs are going to british citizens first.
Jobs for unqualified position will go to UK / EU citizens first, and there are going to be lots of UK citizens out of work with the financial crisis we are having, and you will not be registered to work as a qualified nurse. The course that you will be doing will not class as nursing, therefore in 2 years when you try to register with the NMC you will have difficulty as you will not have practiced nursing for over 2 years.
The UK is not a great place to be trying to find work at the moment, and it is expensive to live here.
Just trying to work out the conversions, 90th peso I make is about £1200 each month.
Out of that you will have to pay rent and that will depend on where you live, in London you could be looking at £200 - 500 each week, Bristol £500 - 700 each month. Ontop of that you will have to pay gas and electric, food, council tax, fuel/transport cost. It is very expensive to live in the UK and £1200 is not going to stretch very far.
As for gaining a work permit in 2 years, it may be worth asking exactly how they are going to manage that as the UK boarders agency are making it more difficult to get work permits in an attempt to keep UK citizens in work. Companies are going bankrupt every day here, there is a great deal of financial insecurity and jobs are going to british citizens first.
Jobs for unqualified position will go to UK / EU citizens first, and there are going to be lots of UK citizens out of work with the financial crisis we are having, and you will not be registered to work as a qualified nurse. The course that you will be doing will not class as nursing, therefore in 2 years when you try to register with the NMC you will have difficulty as you will not have practiced nursing for over 2 years.
The UK is not a great place to be trying to find work at the moment, and it is expensive to live here.
I just emailed a friend. He is in UK study and work program for 3 months already. To help cut down on expenses he shared his flat with 2 other friends to cut down on rent, electric, gas, food, etc. .
actually this "Study and work in UK" scheme has been out in the papers here in the Philippines today..
Yes Michael there are some jobs but not many, and I have looked at the link that you posted. After the 2 years it's going to be very difficult to stay and work in the UK as unless you fit into the shortage occupation list you are not going to get sponsored for a work visa. The courses you talk about are not nursing courses, and the work will not count as nursing experience so that will be 2 years where you are not working as a nurse.
I answered the question that you asked which was rent in the UK (approx) and the cost of living, it is very expensive to live here and the amount you are talking about earning is going to make it very difficult to live.
from that link it states:
"Thousands of Filipino nurses can fill up the gap in the nursing shortage in the UK by entering the country as student nurses and at the same time expand their knowledge and experience in British schools," Geslani suggested.
These nurses are not entering as student nurses, they are entering as carers. It is very unlikely that any UK nursing school is going to take overseas students, they are usually oversubscribed with UK potential nurses and will be subsidised by the government for taking these over international students.
At the end of the day, it's up to you I live and work in the UK so I know the reality of it. I see the difficulties expereinced by healthcare students every day as I work in a hospital linked to a univeristy. You asked for facts and figures and these I can give you, it's up to you if you take the risk of living in poverty to gain a qualification that will only be useful in a country that you will be unlikely to find work in.
Specializes in intensive care, recovery, anesthetics.
Ok, let's clarify some things.
Of course you can share a house with several people if you don't mind doing this, to save money on rent.Many people here are doing this, but it can still be expensive. I paid 320 £ for a mini room in Kent. In London you pay easily more, in the north you probably pay less.
Public transport if you cannot walk to work is expensive too.
About the job situation: Actually there are not many vacancys in acute care, that doesn't mean we have enough nurses, we don't but there's no money for hiring more.
To qualify for a work permit in acute care nursing you have to be on that shortlist, all specialist positions. So nothing for new grads.
The study and work program does not offer a nursing degree, they offer studying to become a carer, not a nurse and not a specialist nurse, it has nothing to do with nursing. It does not count as nursing experience. It's a degree that's good in UK only.
So if you look to become a carer in UK of course go for it if you want. But if you look to enhance your nursing career don't.
I like what 5 Cats say " So if you look to become a carer in UK of course go for it if you want. But if you look to enhance your nursing career don't.". Yes readers, beleive it or not many nursing graduates from the 3rd world country will grab anything that will give them opportunity to have a brighter future. To those who are from the 1st world country can never imagine the economy of these 3rd worl countries. Take for insatnce Philippines. This country has an oversupply of nurses... just this last board exam, about 90,000 took the board. ( Honestly, I am very puzzled why so many are still enrolling in nursing courses. But to the credit of the government, it has already craked down on nursing school with very low board passers).
As to why people go to the UK and take advantage of this Study and Earn Program, the answer is .... they look for a better life. Though it entails working below the level of a nurse, the salary compensates for it. Plese don't say that the salary is not sufficient for their living costs. I know of about 20 students who are in Birmingham right now who can attest that they even have spare to send back to their parents back home. It all boils down to one's lifestyle.
Yes, there are agents who are getting advantage of this situation. And again and again, concern parties are warning applicants to beware of these "scammers".
The Tier 2, work permit for skilled workers now open doors to non EU nationals. This took effect Sept. 27, 2008 will open doors to these "students" to qualify for care assistants and home carers. I hear protests ..."but that's not what they studied for""they are downgrading themselves", "disgusting", "outrageous", etc. BUT remember, qualifications of nursing graduates from the 3rd world countries is not equivalent to those of the 1st world countries. To prove this point, may I request gradutes of the 3rd world countriesto have their qualifications evaluated by UK NARIC website http://www.naric.org.uk Chances are your evaluation will be on level 3 or level 4 of the National Qualifications Framewrok.
It is heartwarming to read the pros and cons in this thread. It gives individual a tool to think, evaluate, consider, before acting on his/her plan. Readers, may you be guided accordingly.
Serene I really don't think it's about thinking working as a carer is "degrading" and not what you've trained for it's making sure that these nurses have all the information before they make a decision that could potentially put them into poverty in a cold, foreign country. Despite what you say it is very expensive to live in the UK, even sharing accommodation, the amount that will be earned as a part time carer is minimal as most of these positions are minimum wage. I seem to remember that your Mom has something to do with one of these agencies so I wonder if there's a little personal interest in your active encouragment of these schemes.
There are promises of work visas at the end, and as none of these organisations actually provide the Visas this (in my opinion) is exaggerated and non EU citizens are going to find it almost impossible to find work as an unqualified worker (because that's what carers are classed as here) because no employer will sponser the visa, they won't be allowed because these are positions that can be filled by UK / EU citizens therefore even with the points system these nurses won't qualify.
I've talked to my friend about this site and she visited and read the contents and she did some research on her own. I'm not sure if most of u guys familiar, but she said it's on the POEA list..(i think it's like the department of the Government that handles overseas workers..pardon me..not so familiar either.hehe) On top of that, cause since it was her bestfriend who has a sister that's been living in UK talked her into getting into this thing, she asked her to find out about it in UK.. apparently, her bestfriend's sister said it was a GO light and that it's legit.
About the lodging and essential necessities, fortunately, she and her bestfriend will be living into one of the sister's house, so, scratch the lodging.
--- as i see it, if u have something like this going for you, then It's not so bad..especially, (just as mentioned) if you're coming from 3RD World Country.. i see the differ..
but of course, it's not much really even after the other expenses, and not to mention if they can fall into a NON-Extravagant lifestyle that is... Just to be honest, I don't want her to go through it.. but i can't deny the fact that even it SUCK (considering she's an RN graduate) it's BETTER (that is, "IF" everything goes according to plan) than staying in the country. sad isn't??
she went and paid 25,000.00 Php and took her entrance exam.. she should get her result in about couple more days.. i'll update u guys :)
I think one of the points that I am trying to make is the cost of living grifflikin if your friend has accomodation already then that's a huge expense she's not having to pay for that others will.
I completely understand the desire to improve yourself and achieve all you can achieve for yourself and for your family, but I have serious doubts about these courses actually improving life for the nurses who enrol in them
Sharrie said " I seem to remember that your Mom has something to do with one of these agencies so I wonder if there's a little personal interest in your active encouragment of these schemes.". Fortunately yes, my mom has a consultancy firm and has assisted a loooot of newly gaaduate nurses and caregivers go to the UK under the NVQ in Health & Social Care program. And that is why I can speak with authority.
We are all here not for personal interest but to give light to what is the truth, as one sees it. That is why the pros and cons are so encouraging for this will help those undecided to weigh their options.
NOW TO NURSES OUT THERE :Tier 2 Point based sytem, skilled workers-general, includes in their Government - approved UK shortage occupation list for tier 2 , as of Nov. 2008, among others, NURSES - JOB TITLES: I quote " ONLY the following job titles within this occupation : registered nurse employed or engaged at band 7 or 8 of the Agenda for Change scale or their independent sector equivalents ; registered nurse at band 5 or above employed or engaged in the following specialties- operating theatre nurse, anaesthetic nurse, operating department practitioner, scrub nurse, theatre nurse, critical nurse (nurses working in critical units with level 2 or 3 classification)." MAC to review evidence by March 2009. This will give Filipino nurses an opportunity to work as a NURSE in the UK. And mind you, everyone interested can just go to the Point based sytem website for guidance. YOU DON'T NEED ANY CONSULTANT OR REPRESENTATIVE to do this.
I wish all of you a HAPPY HAPPY, PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR !
i really appreciate sharrie's help and insights into this working and studying scheme that's being offered right now in the Philippines.so sad,but true.nurses won't be able to practice and improve their careers in the U.K. if they sign up to these programs.
me and my wife have several relatives who are nursing graduates ( nothing unusual there, he he he) but me personally, much as i want them to start earning instead of being unemployed in the Phil., i wouldn't suggest or let them go to the U.K. thru this kind of program.
i know,it boils down to economics and it's better than earning nothing but the question is, is it really worth your while?
first of all, you'll pay minimum of 50k pesos for the program which could easily go up to 200k.with the £ down to just £1=70 pesos, just imagine how long it will take to recoup your initial investment.secondly,you'll just receive the minimum wage(or maybe slightly higher) and i'll tell you and every U.K. resident also will,this is just not enough after you take out the BASIC necessities and expenses.some are arguing that if they really scrimp and save they could still have money left to send home...but with a weakened pound, i wonder how much it will gonna be?
i've just been to a Christmas party the other day where there are several nurses who are in London on a student visa and i tell you guys honestly,my heart goes out to them.everyone has their own sad experience to tell which i won't discuss here anymore but the bottom line is,what's going on with them right now isn't the one that was promised by the agency whilst they we're still applying for the program.
Specializes in Medical and general practice now LTC.
NOW TO NURSES OUT THERE :Tier 2 Point based sytem, skilled workers-general, includes in their Government - approved UK shortage occupation list for tier 2 , as of Nov. 2008, among others, NURSES - JOB TITLES: I quote " ONLY the following job titles within this occupation : registered nurse employed or engaged at band 7 or 8 of the Agenda for Change scale or their independent sector equivalents ; registered nurse at band 5 or above employed or engaged in the following specialties- operating theatre nurse, anaesthetic nurse, operating department practitioner, scrub nurse, theatre nurse, critical nurse (nurses working in critical units with level 2 or 3 classification)." MAC to review evidence by March 2009. This will give Filipino nurses an opportunity to work as a NURSE in the UK. And mind you, everyone interested can just go to the Point based sytem website for guidance. YOU DON'T NEED ANY CONSULTANT OR REPRESENTATIVE to do this.
I wish all of you a HAPPY HAPPY, PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR !
I have highlighted what will count and when they are talking about experience they are asking for more than a couple of months of working in the area and usually will expect it to be paid work
michaelcool
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I've seen this "Study and work in UK" streamers everywhere here in my place. Some streamers promise 90th pesos a month wage.. I've almost shelled out 250th philippine peso to join this study to UK bandwagon.
Yes you earned more than 90th pesos a month. What about your monthly rentals, necessities, and food?? I've heard UK is a very expensive place...
I don't know if this is really a scam or not. They promise working permits in 2 years...
Anyone out their studying and working in the UK?? Hows your life their.