Working as a stripper AND a nurse

Equinox_93 · Feb 3, 2009

ah, gotcha.
so you agree, it likelywould be problematic w/the bon.
whether it should be or shouldn't be, is a moot point.
the point is, it would be.
i would think if the bon prohibits it, the op is taking a huge chance.
leslie

The issue in this circumstance is that it is likely that the BON wouldn't say that it is or isn't prohibited- in either case. But it- as well as darn near anything else- can always be used as an excuse to terminate employment. Do I think it would likely be a problem? I think it's probably indirectly- yes. Directly? *Maybe*... As I said before- if one can't afford to lose their job- they better be very careful about ANYTHING even potentially controversial.

However- this discussion has two lines- whether it can be problematic *professionally* (Yes- just like anything else of an even potentially controversial nature) and the "acceptability/morality/societal" issue. (Which is highly debateable as to whether it is "acceptable/moral-immoral/socially OK".)

Maybe that clarifies things?

leslie :-D · Feb 3, 2009

The issue in this circumstance is that it is likely that the BON wouldn't say that it is or isn't prohibited- in either case. But it- as well as darn near anything else- can always be used as an excuse to terminate employment. Do I think it would likely be a problem? I think it's probably indirectly- yes. Directly? *Maybe*... As I said before- if one can't afford to lose their job- they better be very careful about ANYTHING even potentially controversial.
However- this discussion has two lines- whether it can be problematic *professionally* (Yes- just like anything else of an even potentially controversial nature) and the "acceptability/morality/societal" issue. (Which is highly debateable as to whether it is "acceptable/moral-immoral/socially OK".)
Maybe that clarifies things?

while i'm a pretty laid back person and would like to think i am non-judgmental, i've been around long enough to know what the 'masses' consider moral character.

i am also pretty confident that the bon has a more succint explanation/resource, as to what constitutes moral character.

finally, i would bet $100 that any bon, would not consider stripping as an example of a nurse being morally upstanding.

our laws tend to be more archaic than progressive...

and the bon operates under the jurisdiction of administrative law.

leslie

Equinox_93 · Feb 3, 2009

K, Let me make sure I'm following this. The *empowered* stripper who presumably doesn't touch or get touched by his/her customers (wink, wink) gets an "Atta girl/guy."
The paid participant in the production of a piece of Mediaography, who participates with other paid participants, and also doesn't touch or get touched by the consumers of that Mediaography and in fact doesn't even have any physical proximity to those consumers, is lacking that ... what was it again? ... oh yeah, that whole *empowerment* thing?

Empowerment is a highly subjective thing and is something that only the person who is/isn't empowered can judge. This is a seperate issue entirely from what is or is not socially acceptable.

We live in a culture of duality- we have advertisements like Victoria's Secret (soft Media), movies that laud sexuality at every turn (ever see Coyote Ugly?) but in many cases are frowned on if we emulate that in 'real life'. If you've ever watched Coyote Ugly- you would see the idea that I am expressing. In said movie- the lead gal was terrified of dancing, dealt with the social stigma when her father found out about it- and yet the confidence it gave her helped her in her bigger dream/goal of singing on stage in front of people. You also saw girls who were dancing at the club who were on their way to "bigger and better" things, some who were content where they were, and all different ranges of perceived empowerment and job satisfaction. Now- this was a movie, of course- but real life as I've experienced it tends to follow that idea. When dealing with stripping/"exotic dancing"- there are a wide variety of reasons women go into it, a wide range of satisfaction (and yes- dissatisfaction too) with the experience etc. My point is merely refuting the idea that a) it is a social stigma *everywhere* and b) that women who choose to engage in this profession are "damaged" or come from a history of violation and abuse. does it happen? Sometimes. Is it a given? Hardly.

Just trying to teach others that the world is a far bigger place than one person's perceptions and experiences. Mine included.

Altra, BSN, RN · Feb 3, 2009

Just trying to teach others that the world is a far bigger place than one person's perceptions and experiences. Mine included.

I'm speechless. A professionally-themed message board where I can be "taught" lessons using Hollywood movie-happy endings as allegories. Wow. :smokin:

Equinox_93 · Feb 3, 2009

I'm speechless. A professionally-themed message board where I can be "taught" lessons using Hollywood movie-happy endings as allegories. Wow.

Whatever :icon_roll

leslie :-D · Feb 3, 2009

finally, i would bet $100 that any bon, would not consider stripping as an example of a nurse being morally upstanding.
our laws tend to be more archaic than progressive...
and the bon operates under the jurisdiction of administrative law.
leslie

well, well, well...

i was sooooo very wrong.

i looked at my state's bon re gmc (good moral character) and found the following.

scroll down to page 3 and check out Table 1.

GOOD MORAL CHARACTER LICENSURE REQUIREMENT INFORMATION SHEET

http://www.mass.gov/Eeohhs2/docs/dph/quality/boards/good_moral_info.pdf

leslie

rn/writer, RN · Feb 3, 2009

Reminder: Please, debate the issues and not the people. If you think someone has made an objectionable post, use the report button and let staff know. Please, refrain from insulting/scolding other posters.

Thank you.

RNsRWe, ASN, RN · Feb 3, 2009

You'd have to check with your state BON for those answers. While what you are doing might not be illegal, perhaps your State or employer DOES have a moral code of conduct which your side job is undoubtedly violating.

Beyond that, I have a hard time imagining how comfortable I'd feel with my patients if one of them purchased a lap dance from me. Or if the fella in the bed had been stuffing bills in my bikini last weekend, and now his wife was here asking me questions.

When I meet the public, which is every day I go on shift, I know they see me as a professional. I can't imagine the humiliation and embarrassment if I was outed as some other kind of 'professional'.

My patients and their families trust me as a professional nurse. I don't think I'd be nearly as effective if Grandpa is eyeballing me as the treat he saw on stage last night :uhoh21:

But self respect is a personal barometer, I realize.

Equinox_93 · Feb 3, 2009

ROFL Yeah- I tend to feel the same way. I think I'd find it hard juggling those two... But- different strokes for different folks

You'd have to check with your state BON for those answers. While what you are doing might not be illegal, perhaps your State or employer DOES have a moral code of conduct which your side job is undoubtedly violating.
Beyond that, I have a hard time imagining how comfortable I'd feel with my patients if one of them purchased a lap dance from me. Or if the fella in the bed had been stuffing bills in my bikini last weekend, and now his wife was here asking me questions.
When I meet the public, which is every day I go on shift, I know they see me as a professional. I can't imagine the humiliation and embarrassment if I was outed as some other kind of 'professional'.
My patients and their families trust me as a professional nurse. I don't think I'd be nearly as effective if Grandpa is eyeballing me as the treat he saw on stage last night :uhoh21:
But self respect is a personal barometer, I realize.

mamafeliz · Feb 3, 2009

I find it interesting that the two "professions" the OP is juggling are both traditionally "women's work". The similarities between the two professions end there.

Nursing is a woman dominated profession that has successfully won a livable wage, schedule flexibility, geographic mobility. It is a profession that has fostered public perception of women's capacities of being competent, able, intelligent, as well as compassionate and caring. It allows us to be viewed as whole people. It is a woman's profession that is even winning men over because, well, it's a good gig that gives one's life meaning. We go home at the end of the day feeling tired, yes, but like we made a difference. Nursing has and continues to contribute to our society in a positive, concrete way. Those who have chosen the often difficult path of nursing have reason to feel proud.

I believe that women participating in the sex industry negatively impacts my life and the lives of all girls and women---and ultimately men--in our society. Objectification on that level is carried out into the world and changes the way we are all viewed. The superficial, vacuous judgment of people is rampant in our society in part because of women's willingness to be purely objectified. I certainly know many women turn to the sex industry out of complete desperation: lack of economic alternatives, addiction, abuse history. And for those women, I hope we as a society continue to find better solutions. For those with alternatives: Self empowerment? I can't argue against what someone states they glean from any experience. But I would state it is a selfish indulgence at the expense of general perception of all women. And I would also argue that acknowledged or not, participating in an activity as objectifying as stripping pulls at the thread of any women's core sense of worth. We all know the physical is transient, temporary. You have to go deeper and do more than strip off clothes to find true beauty and sense of worth.

In the end, I ask the OP to consider reasons beyond the BON restrictions to choose to pick up more nursing shifts instead of stripping. Even if the $ is better stripping, consider your impact on your community. How good does it really feel at the end of a shift stripping to feel like you helped a few guys jack off, and maybe become more critical of the women in their lives? That is empowering?

ECKPowers · Feb 3, 2009

It's not illegal. And it's NONE of our business what she does. She asked about legality. Not everyone's personal moral opinions.

leslie :-D · Feb 3, 2009

It's not illegal. And it's NONE of our business what she does. She asked about legality. Not everyone's personal moral opinions.

she made it our business by posting on a public forum.

she and the subject, are fair game.

leslie