Women's Right to Choose

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I haven't seen this conversation come up on AllNurses, even after Scrubs Mag addressed the erosion of women's right to choose. I apologize if this is too much of a hot-button issue to open up for discussion, but I'm curious as to where folks on here stand when it comes to the increase in states passing restrictive abortion laws, in some cases nearly eliminating it altogether. If the mods are afraid, like I am (especially after seeing how some of the Facebook discussions devolved after Scrubs Mag posted their article there), that this can't remain a civil discussion, please feel free to take it down now. I just feel that this is an important discussion that needs to take place. After Missouri Rep. Barry Hovis spoke of the vast majority of rape being date rape and "consensual rape", Virginia State Sen. Steve Martin (R) stated "A pregnant woman is just a “host” that should not have the right to end her pregnancy", and VP Pence's comments about being "proud to be part of pro-life administration", I'm feeling increasingly disturbed about this country's lack of regard toward women.

2 hours ago, Scrunchkin78 said:

And morality is missing you. Asking planned parenthood to do their "supposed" job is a pretty modern and reasonable request. They "say" they provide healthcare - if they aren't teaching about contraception before they scrape the baby out of the egg donors uterus then they aren't doing their jobs and are undeserving of their funding.

Thank you for admitting you only consider a woman an egg donor once pregnant.

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2 hours ago, Orion81RN said:

Thank you for admitting you only consider a woman an egg donor once pregnant.

A “mother” doesn’t kill her baby. And if it’s just a “clump of cells” the egg had to come from somewhere. If sperm donor can be applied to deadbeat dads then egg donor is perfectly appropriate for women who kill their babies out of selfishness and convenience.

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2 hours ago, Orion81RN said:

I'm not going to do the research for you. But, I will tell you that Planned Parenthood has saved lives by catching cancer that would have gone undiagnosed in uninsured women. So, yes. They are in fact "doing their jobs."

Several of my friends in my 20's obtained birth control from Planned Parenthood when they couldn't afford an OB. My own OB refused to refill my birth control without a pelvic exam every THREE MONTHS. I didn't have the THOUSANDS of dollars that adds up to. Birth control from Planned Parenthood prevented pregnancies that WOULD ABSOLUTELY have led to abortions. So to say planned Parenthood doesn't provide invaluable services is so incredibly ignorant. You live in a bubble. And you CHOOSE to live in that bubble.

You aren’t doing the research because you are afraid of what you will find. How about the majority of abortions in the US are minorities. How about that PP conveniently locates it’s facilities in mostly minority neighborhoods. How about the PP founder,Sanger, was a proud eugenicist and a Nazi sympathizer and openly spoke of weeding out minorities and the disabled through selective abortion. Public Health depts provide contraception, STD care, well woman care , AND maternity care...no abortions. So spare me your self righteousness considering you prop up a racist organization like PP.

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2 hours ago, Orion81RN said:

You are not superior to ANYONE. I simply do not believe an embryo is a "human being." I do not choose to believe this. I just do. I couldn't change that belief if I wanted to. Bc it is a belief system for which there is no scientific data to 100% confirm or deny. Just as you have your beliefs that you couldn't change if you wanted to. And I'm Christian, and it's because I'm Christian that I WILL NOT judge others. On THAT the Bible is VERY clear.

I don't hope to change anyone's mind. My only hope is to give perspective to people to not judge others.

The what is an embryo?? A puppy?? Pretty convenient thought process...just like the Nazis...it’s easier to kill something when you dehumanize it.

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On 5/22/2019 at 6:15 PM, catladyx8 said:

Abstinence is the best policy and when society began saying it was okay to have sex outside of marriage and promoting that kind of thinking,

On this dated note,

"In 2014, some 46% of all abortion patients had never married and were not cohabiting. However, nearly half were living with a male partner in the month they became pregnant, including 14% who were married and 31% who were cohabiting"

"Fifty-nine percent of abortions in 2014 were obtained by patients who had had at least one birth."

Looks like the majority of abortions in the US are from women in committed relationships and women who have already had children. Link below. Do some research before spouting such unfounded "data".

https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/induced-abortion-united-states

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Abortions should be like anything else, available at a price. Except in cases of rape, incest, or danger to the life of the mother, it should be paid for by the person who desires it. If the woman can't afford to pay for it, track the man down and extract the fee from him. If he claims it's not his, too bad. That'll make him think twice before engaging in unprotected sex.

I wouldn't have an abortion. For me, life begins at conception and the times I engaged in unprotected sex with my spouse, I was trying to conceive.

Keep abortion legal, keep it for profit. No government funding... Have the henchmen be known, have the public know they are not paying for something they don't believe in. No secrets, accountability... Arrest people who prevent entry into the clinics. If they want to protest, which is their right, they'll be arrested if the do it on private property. Protest at the church, etc...

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13 minutes ago, Scrunchkin78 said:

How about the PP founder,Sanger, was a proud eugenicist and a Nazi sympathizer and openly spoke of weeding out minorities and the disabled through selective abortion.

Where on earth did you find this information? Are you looking up the right Sanger? Are you getting your facts from Ben Carson and Fox News? This article contains links to research that counters the accusations you're making.

https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/14/432080520/fact-check-was-planned-parenthood-started-to-control-the-black-population

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1 minute ago, Persephone Paige said:

Abortions should be like anything else, available at a price.

This is why a ban on abortion will affect the lives of people of color at or below the poverty line more than anyone else. This is wildly exclusionary and makes care that people need inaccessible.

Abortion is healthcare, and healthcare should be funded in all ways. Let that funding go to teaching, sex ed, prevention of pregnancy. You don't have to get an abortion, and no one is asking if you would if you had to make the decision. It is not anyone's business but your own whether you could or would ever have an abortion if you were faced with the choice.

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On 5/23/2019 at 4:54 PM, LilPeanut said:

Planned parenthhood does a lot of sex ed. Abortions are an incredibly small part of the services they offer.

Yeah - and they also primarily abort minority babies and are conveniently located in primarily poor minority neighborhoods. Their founder, Sanger, was a proud eugenicist, nazi sympathizer, and openly called for the weeding out of minorities and the “disabled” through abortion. Don’t take my word for it.... look it up.

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I think a lot of people do not examine their motivations. Like with the border wall with Mexico. Many people love the idea and don't think they're being racist, but they have no concern with canadian illegal immigrants. They don't want a border wall with Canada. It's racism that's been hidden in a lot of different ways, even to the person.

Sooo.... I have to examine my motivations but you can’t be bothered to do the same by recognizing that you are painting a group of people with a broad brush. Maybe you should reflect on your intolerance of other opinions and the immediate drive to demonize someone who doesn’t agree with you. I haven’t demonized you or in any way said you are bad... I’ve repeatedly said that the action of abortion for convenience is bad.

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And what about women who would need to forgo their college education, or high school education and get trapped in a cycle of poverty? Or they would lose their job because of pregnancy complications?

My stepdaughter has done this exact thing. She gave up college because she got pregnant and is raising her son. She is in the process of reapplying now. You speak as though a single mom can’t manage going to school... guess what... I was a single mom with two small children and I managed to finish my bachelor’s degree AND worked full time. I am proud of my accomplishment because my success through adversity made me infinitely stronger. Basically, you are putting down women and saying they can’t handle hardship.

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You cannot remove the ability to govern ones own life because you want them to be a life support system for another person.

Do you hate your mother or something?? Life support system? Really? Pleasant way to think of pregnant women.

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Finally, it is a well established fact that outlawing abortion does not decrease the number of abortions, it only makes them more dangerous. So, what people want to do again is punish women who are doing things they don't agree with. Social programs, education about sex, educational opportunities in general, free birth control, those things all decrease the rates of abortion.

Well established fact in what decade?? You realize that this is no longer the 40’s and 50’s and that over half of all mothers are single right?? Single motherhood does not carry the stigma it once had... which is why women during those times felt driven to abortion. Also, there was no contraceptive pill during those years... that didn’t come around until the 70’s. The advancement in birth control and contraceptives in addition to sex education is the answer... not abortions.

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3 minutes ago, sarolarn said:

This is why a ban on abortion will affect the lives of people of color at or below the poverty line more than anyone else. This is wildly exclusionary and makes care that people need inaccessible.

Abortion is healthcare, and healthcare should be funded in all ways. Let that funding go to teaching, sex ed, prevention of pregnancy. You don't have to get an abortion, and no one is asking if you would if you had to make the decision. It is not anyone's business but your own whether you could or would ever have an abortion if you were faced with the choice.

Have the people like you, who believe in it, pay for it. Get together, create a scholarship for abortions, crowd fund.

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7 minutes ago, Persephone Paige said:

Have the people like you, who believe in it, pay for it. Get together, create a scholarship for abortions, crowd fund.

Okay, so the people like who, who are "pro-life" will crowd fund the expenses that this child will incur? The medical expenses that mom will have? Schooling? Food? Adequate housing? Will your crowd fund get the time back that mom had to take off from school or work? Will your crowd fund also pay for maternity leave? What about a surrogate fee so that the baby can be adopted to an infertile couple?

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9 minutes ago, sarolarn said:

Where on earth did you find this information? Are you looking up the right Sanger? Are you getting your facts from Ben Carson and Fox News? This article contains links to research that counters the accusations you're making.

https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/14/432080520/fact-check-was-planned-parenthood-started-to-control-the-black-population

Because the NPR is totally non-biased. LOL!!!! No... I do not watch or read Fox News. I get my news from strictly independent sources.

https://concernedwomen.org/the-negro-project-margaret-sangers-eugenic-plan-for-black-americans/

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