Scrunchkin78 ADN, BSN, MSN

Scrunchkin78 has 22 years experience as a ADN, BSN, MSN.

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   Is it wrong to turn down a shift?

   Scrunchkin78 replied to Lovethenurse2b25's topic in COVID

   No, it’s not wrong. What’s wrong is making you feel more obligated to your job than your family. Would it be wrong to go in for your scheduled shift and then walk out because you have a C-19 pt assigned, probably. Ultimately, nursing is a job. While we signed up, and signed on, to do a LOT of things that most can’t, or won’t, do. We did not sign up, nor are we obligated, to die for our occupation. We are nurses, not soldiers, and we didn’t sign the rights to our lives away when we took our oaths. I understand your situation, I have a special-needs son with asthma and a husband with cardiomyopathy and CHF. They depend on me, and there isn’t anyone else that’s going to jump in and take care of my family if I get sick or die. A nurse can be replaced, a wife and mother cannot. The same is true for family...you can get another job, your son can’t be replaced. Don’t let anyone make you feel bad for putting your family first.
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   Women's Right to Choose

   Scrunchkin78 replied to River&MountainRN's topic in Nursing

   And I find you illiterate because you obviously can’t or didn’t read what I was saying. I am so sick and tired of people like you associating hate to differences in opinion. It seems to me that you are transferring you obvious disgust for religion on anyone who you think is slightly religious. Go look in the mirror if you are hunting for bigots. On that note, I’m done talking to you. I don’t have intellectual discussions with people who can’t tell the difference between opinions and bad motives.
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   Women's Right to Choose

   Scrunchkin78 replied to River&MountainRN's topic in Nursing

   No...it doesn’t. The Hebrew word loosely translated as slave is actually meant as servant. Hebrews did not practice slavery as what is known from American slavery. There was no social safety net for the poor during those times so the poor would become indentured servants. The “master” had a responsibility to provide for the welfare of the servant and his/her family. The 10th commandment directs that “masters” were to give servants a day of rest on the sabbath. You have to read that text with knowledge of the time and culture. As for women...name one culture other than western that treats men and women as equals. Mind you that Europe counts as western culture. Women were valued in the Bible and equal...Honor thy Father and Mother...if women had no status then such a commandment would read just to honor thy father. Men are only allowed to take one wife...again this shows value...more is not better. The man was the head of the family because he was the protector and provider not the subjugator of the family unit. Maybe I’m wrong but I get the impression that you fundamentally do not like either religion or JC religion in particular. You don’t have to be religious or even like religion to have been culturally influenced by it. Religion is a powerful social construct...or at least it used to be which would explain the relative degradation of society. Truthfully I don’t like “religion” but I am faithful...very different concepts. Although I don’t like religion I recognize that I, and my surrounding society, have been influenced by it. Pursuing the study of early philosophy such as Maimonides and Thomas Aquinus and of Greek Teleology provides insight on our development as a unique culture. Don’t take my word for any of this...there are plenty of books on the topic. The idea is not to put others down but to explain the West’s unique successes and how our culture is different and the cultural influences that factor into those differences.
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   Women's Right to Choose

   Scrunchkin78 replied to River&MountainRN's topic in Nursing

   Not at all, other cultures have morality but there are variances. JC is unique in its value of the human as an individual and that all humans are equal. Equality among sexes definitely doesn’t go with a lot of other cultures for example. What I am saying is that western culture is a product, in part, of JC morality.
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   Women's Right to Choose

   Scrunchkin78 replied to River&MountainRN's topic in Nursing

   I said that religions have generated wars...many of them. But you are confusing religious liturgy with Judeo-Christian morality. They are not the same because Jews have one set of beliefs that vary from Roman Catholics which varies from Protestants. The Ingroup/outgroup dynamic proves my point. Killing your rival clan is not apart of JC morality. The Mayans and Olmecs even performed human sacrifices....definitely not JC approved.
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   Women's Right to Choose

   Scrunchkin78 replied to River&MountainRN's topic in Nursing

   How do you know what mores existed over 3000 years ago? Is the Golden Rule a basic human construct in our DNA? Just look at the Sentinelese people, who are completely separated from any known religion... if you get close to their island they shoot you dead with arrows and hang your body on the beach. Native American tribes warred with each other and took slaves and trophy's as a matter of honor. Similar findings are documented across many tribal peoples. The natural state of being human is violence, we are nurtured into our morality. The Judeo-Christian culture has been around so long and is so prevalent that it has become embedded.
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   Women's Right to Choose

   Scrunchkin78 replied to River&MountainRN's topic in Nursing

   That's a bit of a strawman argument. Bacteria does not grow into a sentient being whereas a blastocyte develops into a human. And yes, some bacteria should be protected, otherwise, you get yeast infections, C-diff, and acne.
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   Women's Right to Choose

   Scrunchkin78 replied to River&MountainRN's topic in Nursing

   This specific rationale comes from Judaism. Judaism has been around for more than 3000 years. We have lived in a society that is dominated by this religion since before western Europe was widely populated. If a person has never lived in a total vacuum outside of the influence of this society, how can you be so sure of their morality? Look at the tribal peoples... they do not share our morality. I'm not excusing religion either - too many wars have been fought over it. I'm saying it is a combination of influences and one of those is the Judeo-Christian ethic. Just look at the widespread celebration of Christmas... a religious holiday (Pagan to start with) that has been adapted into a cultural celebration over time. What makes us different is our ability to reason and question .... perform scientific tests... which we have adapted from our Greek forebears.
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   Women's Right to Choose

   Scrunchkin78 replied to River&MountainRN's topic in Nursing

   Obviously, you didn't read the ORIGINAL post I was responding to. That post was saying that abortion is condoned in the bible and by Jesus. You don't need a doctorate in theology to know that is ludicrous. I was asking for proof of such a statement. What I find amusing is your immediate attempt to characterize my response as basing an argument on religion. I have not done so at any point because I understand how futile it is. Not to mention that Christianity is not the only religion that frowns on abortion, so quoting the bible as a reference source actually limits available resources. The statement that if a book is required to determine the value of life... yeah that is pretty much common sense. If you took offense to that statement then I am categorizing it as a "you" issue and not a "me" issue. I didn't invite your response, so obviously you felt some need to engage in conversation which makes me wonder why you even bothered saying "this is where the conversation ends"... seems like it is the beginning.
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    Women's Right to Choose

    Scrunchkin78 replied to River&MountainRN's topic in Nursing

    Saying that our laws were founded on Judeo-Christian morality, which is correct, is not the same as saying that our laws are produced straight from the Bible, which they are not. Our government, and many others in Western Civilization, are founded on a combination of Greek reasoning, Roman governmental structure, and Judeo-Christian morality. In the absence of society and a moral framework, humans are not naturally disposed to being “good.” So our basic concepts of right and wrong are from Judeo-Christian morality and our ability to reason out the nature of our conduct and subsequent effects of others is Aristotelian. The ability to know that stealing and killing are bad does not occur in a vacuum. ”...all men were endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights...” https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4476139/#!po=0.581395
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    Women's Right to Choose

    Scrunchkin78 replied to River&MountainRN's topic in Nursing

    Thank you for clarifying because, yes, I did find that insulting. I am glad that wasn’t the intent. I will say It’s certainly your choice to believe so and I don’t judge about a person’s decisions on faith. Our laws are based on Judeo-Christian beliefs but the founders understood that church and state should be separate. I personally wouldn’t want to be subject to sharia law. My pregnancy with my son was complicated and ended in emergent c-section...I am blessed that we are both living. That experience indelibly made its mark on me and value for life.
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    Women's Right to Choose

    Scrunchkin78 replied to River&MountainRN's topic in Nursing

    Absolutely...but you don’t tell that individual in your care that you think their beliefs are stupid. You keep that thought to yourself and offer spiritual support. I don’t push my faith on anyone because it serves no purpose. If I can talk you into faith then you can be talked out of it by someone else. That is not true faith. My beliefs on the value of life are through the personal experience of having my son. My first prenatal visit was later than usual 10 weeks or so, and he was fully formed and moving. He kicked so much on the vaginal ultrasound that the OB had a hard time getting his heart rate. He hasn’t stopped moving since. I was pro choice until that moment. Nothing to do with church or God...just the love of my unborn son.
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    Women's Right to Choose

    Scrunchkin78 replied to River&MountainRN's topic in Nursing

    Ooooh I’m so scared. 🙄 troll on troll
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    Women's Right to Choose

    Scrunchkin78 replied to River&MountainRN's topic in Nursing

    Technically she’s not. Conceiving doesn’t make a woman a mother... any creature on earth can reproduce. Mothering is the process of raising a child, not conceiving one. Besides... if a woman has an abortion she doesn’t WANT to be a mother, right? ...hence the reason for the abortion.... so what’s the problem? Don’t answer that, I am really not interested in this discussion because it’s obvious it’s not going anywhere productive for you or me. Have a pleasant evening.
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    Women's Right to Choose

    Scrunchkin78 replied to River&MountainRN's topic in Nursing

    Here is an article that discusses, in part, her organization of this conference. No the conference wasn’t specifically about Germany - it was to discuss birth and population control. https://www.nyu.edu/projects/sanger/articles/from_geneva_to_cairo.php Here is a copy of the program for this conference. Sanger is the lead officer and Eugen Fischer is on the General Council. Google Fischer and you’ll see what a horrible human he was and was not someone worth of respect... especially on population issues. https://lifedynamics.com/app/uploads/2015/09/1927-10-October.pdf I edited my above post and included some of her direct writings... some perspective needs to be given about her writings in this time frame. She viewed the addition of children to large families as devastating to women... especially minorities. While there is truth to that - she discusses “birth control.” Birth control as we know it did not exist in the 1920s. The scientific application of the rhythm method wasn’t published until the 1930s and the birth control pill was not invented until the 1960s. Women would have been limited to abstinence, which is impossible (at that time anyway) in marriage and use of pessary stones and sponge (if available) with vinegar and abortion. Her writings convey a sense of superiority.... compassion as one would be compassionate towards and animal versus a human. I believe that SHE believed her motives were for good.... AND some good did come from her research with the development of the birth control pill. However, I think she had a pretty dim vision of humanity and the value of life.
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    Women's Right to Choose

    Scrunchkin78 replied to River&MountainRN's topic in Nursing

    Here is a link to the citation. I tried to find an open source link but no luck or I would have posted it. https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001310207 Here is a link to one of her direct writings. Her discussion of birth control is deceptive when reading it with modern eyes. It sounds logical because we think of birth control as common place. She wrote this in 1921 and the birth control pill was not invented until the 1960s. The rhythm method was not published as a scientific option until the 1930s. So the options for birth control at this time were abstinence and abortion at the time of her writing this article and she clearly doesn’t agree with abstinence. Oh and pessary....almost forgot. https://www.nyu.edu/projects/sanger/webedition/app/documents/show.php?sangerDoc=238946.xml