will universal healthcare ( in the usa) cut RN pay?

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I been hearing this debate off and on for a long time about how if Obama gets universal healthcare to go ( if he gets elected of course)though in the US that nursing pay will be cut dramatically. I would think this has to do with the fact that we would all be working for the government and that there will no longer be competition. There are many people in my nursing class that said they will leave nursing if thats the case. I also talked to several doctors that said the same thing about medicine in general. Im just curious if anyone has some good info about this. Thanks

Specializes in ER.

Do any of you really believe that any kind of universal health care or socialized medicine with be started in the next 4 years, even if the messiah is elected? He is going to have to perform miracles on the economy first, then start turning water to money to pay for all of his programs, including the health care.

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Are you referring to Barack Obama when you use the term "Messiah"?

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Specializes in ER.

Yeah, all of his followers seem to think he will save the world.

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Specializes in Community, OB, Nursery.

What does this have to w/ whether or not universal healthcare will affect nurses' pay or not???

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Specializes in ER,ICU,L+D,OR.

The stock market today may well be indication about pay problems. Far more so than Universal Health Care

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I been hearing this debate off and on for a long time about how if Obama gets universal healthcare to go ( if he gets elected of course)though in the US that nursing pay will be cut dramatically. I would think this has to do with the fact that we would all be working for the government and that there will no longer be competition. There are many people in my nursing class that said they will leave nursing if thats the case. I also talked to several doctors that said the same thing about medicine in general. Im just curious if anyone has some good info about this. Thanks

I don't know what been said in the thread but as someone who lives and works in a universal healthcare system I'd like to say a few things.

1) Everytime we have attempts to change things for the better, the conservatives come up with one or more kinds of scare stories to put people of. Here their track record when compared to history isn't very good. It's so good that they have had to embrace that which they used to oppose.

2) The USA last time I checked has 300K nurse vacancies, are they really going to cut pay, encourage you to leave, stay open and so invite the likelihood of increased ligation?

3) Last article I read had administration costs eating up 30% of the budget, any sensible UHC system will reduce this funding any increase in treatment.

4) We also do health promotion which I am told is not as extensive in the US as here.

You have so much waste in your system which ANY competent manager would look at first.

5) Pay into a UHC system and you have it available whether your in work or unemployed. Pay into an insurance based one it's only available as long as you have the insurance, in the long run UHC will be cheaper.

Last point which is un-connected with RN pay, if you copy the UK system then you deserve everything you get as the last survey placed at LEAST thirty versions better than it.

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The stock market today may well be indication about pay problems. Far more so than Universal Health Care

Don't believe CEOs anywhere, when it comes money or healthcare!

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Wack? :chuckle That is sooooo very 1986 :smokin:

The kids use it all the time- I just think it is funny. I don't remember it in 1986, but maybe it was regional. Just wanted to bug Stanley because his posts were making me a little crazy (wackadoodle). I am better now.

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The kids use it all the time- I just think it is funny. I don't remember it in 1986, but maybe it was regional. Just wanted to bug Stanley because his posts were making me a little crazy (wackadoodle). I am better now.

Spreading craziness is an awesome debating skill. Once the other person gets crazy they get angry. Once they get angry I win. :D

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Everything 80s is in fashion again so maybe that explains it. I was a kid in the 80s and that word was part of the slang we used back then; you took me back with that one.

The kids use it all the time- I just think it is funny. I don't remember it in 1986, but maybe it was regional. Just wanted to bug Stanley because his posts were making me a little crazy (wackadoodle). I am better now.
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Specializes in ICU, Trauma, ER, Peds, Family Practice.

Yes Yukon Barbie is one and same as Princess Palin.

I do respect McCAin but dont feel his ticket should be in the White House. I respect anyone that has been in a war esp what he went though as a POW. I use to work on a Navy base in a family practice clinic. It was like a family. There is such loyality to one another and it is foster among the enlisted and officers.

It was amazing I was there during the Holidays and the Officers told the enlisted you cook those turkeys outside the ER in the fryer. Others needed to get the room ready and make deserts. It was the most organised clinic holiday celebration I have ever seen. These young kids were amazing and should respect for each other. It was an honour for me to work that clinic. A good learning experience. I dealth with 18 year old girls that could pack a gun bigger than them and drive a real hummer. What women .

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It is a complicated topic. There are many proposals.

The plans differ in each country.

In the UK it is socialized medicine with government run facilities and such.

About the NHS:

http://www.nhs.uk/aboutnhs/Pages/About.aspx

No it's not. BUPA is not part of the government and many employers subscribe to this organisation so its employees can get healthcare from them.

The NHS also contracts in additional capacity from the private hospitals and healthcare providers we have here.

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