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Of how many people get A's in prereqs but dont do that good in the nursing program and the B students are the ones that do better in the program. Dont work youself if you cant get that A.

What's your source on this?

I know there are several studies that demonstrate correlation of higher GPA and less grades

No source--it's purely anecdotal, as is the OP's assertion in the original post.

I'd be very curious to see a study done on the topic, however, given the number of times I've seen excellent nurses who were not at the top of their class in school.

I don't quite understand the bolded portion of your post. Rephrase, if you would?

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I'm assuming she means there are studies that show correlations between higher GPAs and higher NCLEX pass rates, and lower grades and lower NCLEX pass rates. She did not see studies on nursing performance in practice correlated to GPA or grades...I think that's what she meant.

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Okay. Bad grammar has been addressed! I understood what the OP was saying even though grammar and mechanics were off. It's amazing how many people on AN act like the grammar police or let alone online bullies! Have some respect people. Simply say, "I am having trouble understanding your question. Do you mind rephrasing it?" Exactly...this is an online forum and you do not know the people you are responding to in these threads! You don't know if the person writing has a learning disability, speaks a foreign language, has autism, or etc. If you can't find the nerve to be polite then find another thread that you CAN understand.

Can we get back to the main idea?

Thank you! I was about to say this grammar issue is getting a little out of hand. That's not even what the post is about. Obviously the OP isn't illiterate because he/she has responded with proper grammar.

There are quite a bit of bullies on AN sorry to say. If you don't like or "can't understand" the thread keep it moving. I'm not sure about anyone else but I understood it perfectly. Geesh. :cautious:

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When I think about nurses, the thought that crosses my mind are individuals who represent compassion, love, along with a helpful disposition. It saddens me to see individuals in this profession throw insults, and criticism at someone who revealed a simple flaw. If you guys can criticize someone who posted on this board to seek simple advice, I can imagine what you think of your patients.

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When I think about nurses the thought that crosses my mind are individuals who represent compassion, love, along with a helpful disposition. It saddens me to see individuals in this profession throw insults, and criticism at someone who revealed a simple flaw. If you guys can criticize someone who posted on this board to seek simple advice, I can imagine what you think of your patients.[/quote']

Great point ;)

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I'm assuming she means there are studies that show correlations between higher GPAs and higher NCLEX pass rates and lower grades and lower NCLEX pass rates. She did not see studies on nursing performance in practice correlated to GPA or grades...I think that's what she meant.[/quote']

He, but otherwise correct.

Several studies have demonstrated a correlation between 1. Higher GPA and 2. Less grades C or lower with higher pass rates on NCLEX first attempt.

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I think it goes without saying that students who have a higher GPA will have a higher NCLEX-pass rate, as a group. Of course they would.

I'm surprised anyone found it necessary to do a "study" on such a hypothesis.

But I'm assuming the OP meant that getting less than 4.0 grades isn't an indicator one will fail the NCLEX.

Like another poster said, many students motto is "All it takes are C's to get a degree."

Not the most ambitious motto ever, but still true.

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I'll be honest. I was super lazy in school because I could get my C without any real effort. If I'd made any appreciable effort, I would likely have been the one blowing the curve. I did have classmates fighting tooth and nail for their C. Now, I kind of regret blowing off my gpa, but that's my own dang fault!

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When I think about nurses the thought that crosses my mind are individuals who represent compassion, love, along with a helpful disposition. It saddens me to see individuals in this profession throw insults, and criticism at someone who revealed a simple flaw. If you guys can criticize someone who posted on this board to seek simple advice, I can imagine what you think of your patients.[/quote']

When someone says "who cares" about grammar, etc, one can expect people who do care to comment on that.

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I think the problem with using poor grammar etc on a "forum" or "website" is that eventually, this lax attitude drifts over into the "real world".

My job required me to access many charts. I am very concerned by some of the charting I see . Poor grammar, poor spelling, short forms that are not acceptable - one I see frequently is Dr A informed, instead of Dr Alphabet - and so forth.

If this was ever brought up in court, I am sure we would not have a leg to stand on.

I did chart audits for a short time. My manger said I was "too particular" because I pointed out problems such as poor spelling, poor grammar and my personal pet-peeve, charting in all caps!

I am probably saying this badly, but I think when poor grammar, spelling etc is used, it makes the person doing the charting look less competent, less educated. I think that as a juror in a law suit if I saw a chart full of mistakes, I would thing "if they can't use proper grammar, how can they be a safe nurse?

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There is a saying I have heard since day 1...."C is for Continue.."

Also, Straight A's in nursing school won't help if you can't pass the NCLEX. Those that don't pass the NCLEX are not called nurse....just saying.

Nursing schools and advanced nursing programs look at more than your grades. That's why most have a point system. They look at your refereces, not only what they say about you but who they are from (their position, relation to you, their standing in the community etc). They look at your work record, what your instructors say about you. Your essay counts a great deal as well. Patient care is about much more than memorizing what to do when (although that can be important). It's just as important to know how to communicate with others whether it is with your patient, coworkers, physicians, charge nurses, ancillary staff, family, etc. You have to know what resources you have available. *Nursing isn't just about what you make in class. Truly, you have to be knowledgeable, but knowledge without application makes you ineffective.*

*THIS is SO IMPORTANT!!! If you cannot APPLY thinking and using judgement like a nurse; A-C student, 4.0-2.0; it is a moot point; you will have a hell of a time in your career ; or at least a hell of a bumpy ride in becoming competent.

And I don't say this to slight anyone or anything...I earned a 2.6 in PN school, and a 2.9 for my BSN; passed boards the first time; but that doesn't matter if I could not utilize the nursing process correctly or apply effective therapeutic communication; handle a potential ethical dilemma; be an effective leader and help build leaders on my team. I learned how to do those things effectively AFTER I passed the boards.

Those things you are going to learn in school, and how you handle your peers, how you respond to experienced educators or experienced patients (you read that correctly :yes: ) or people from complex backgrounds that you've NEVER imagined or one would think was only on TV...one has to home skills in applying the knowledge of how to respond to ANYTHING, and be able to give competent care within that same breath...that's what it comes down to...thinking critically, advocating and performing competent care-that is OUR BUSINESS.

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Everyone has their own learning style and sometimes professors do not apply all 3 (kinesthetic, visual, & auditory) into their teaching practice. Someone who is kinesthetic is going to do better in a tactile setting than in a lecture setting, and an example would be nursing clinical. A class with tons of PowerPoints, color-coded notes, and charts is going to benefit the visual learner. A class where the professor explains everything in detail and uses podcasts is going to benefit the auditory learner.

Maybe the people who made A’s in their prerequisites were more auditory and did well at memorization/note-taking. Maybe the B students were more kinesthetic and their professor did not apply that style in class and they did not know how to study. Labs are tactile and I personally do better in labs than lectures because I am being involved in the learning.

Some people do not know their style and have difficulties studying. When people know their style and change their study habits, they can improve grades and actually begin to learn! So if a professor teaches towards auditory learners, it is still the student’s responsibility to learn that material utilizing their style in their study habits.

So yes, I think it is possible for someone with B’s in prerequisites to begin making A’s in nursing school. Especially if their particular learning style is being applied. Ex: kinesthetic student in a nursing clinical

Does it really matter that B students might make A’s in nursing school or that A students might make B’s in nursing school. Not really…who cares! It’s not a contest and we are all there to become the same thing…a nurse.

I like this saying:

Tell me, I’ll forget. Show me, I’ll remember. Involve me, I’ll understand. Chinese Proverb

Just a thought:)

This :yes: :inlove:

Know this NOW future nurses...we'll see you all on the floor, as long as your are licensed and ready to give that care and be on the team...ready to learn and give the best energy.

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