Why PVT is UNRELIABLE. Please read.

There was a time when you could just about bet on the results of the PVT being as close to accurate as could be for an unofficial "glitch". It was a fortune-telling kink in the software that allowed someone to determine, based on a the pop up message they got after putting in their credit card info, whether they had passed or failed. Student Forums NCLEX Article

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People, this is NOT THE CASE ANYMORE.

Over the last few months, increasing numbers of people are finding that they get a pop up that indicates their card was attempted to be charged, and this has always indicated a 'fail'. Whether you use incorrect dates is IRRELEVANT; the software program is designed to attempt to charge your card because you AUTHORIZED it. There is a notification telling you it's a non-refundable charge prior to you submitting payment....and by golly, they are going to try.

If you put in invalid info, and get a message telling you that you should contact your bank, etc etc, it MIGHT mean you failed (because a second registration was now needed for another exam). It ALSO might mean you passed, but there you were, offering the money anyway.

If you put in valid info and it charges you, it won't matter if you passed, the money is completely non-refundable.

If you are unable to register again, no charge attempt is made, it's certainly a good indication of "pass". BUT....here's where it gets icky.....people seem absolutely unable to control themselves, and insist on doing the PVT over--and over--and over again.

What's wrong with that? Well, with increasing frequency, subsequent submissions of card info result in a charge attempt...so once again, you have NO CLUE as to whether you passed or failed. Maybe you passed on the first scoring....failed on the QA review? Maybe. Maybe you passed the review, but now you are flipping out over the newly-found "I FAILED" possibility. Seriously, is this at all worth the back-and-forth cluelessness that only results in MORE anxiety?

I can't see it, sorry, no way---no how.

PLEASE don't post "hey it works!" because if you got a message that matched your results, at this point I'd go with 'coincidence'. Enough people have put in valid info and gotten charged for tests they don't need to make me shake my head. But hey, if you want to keep donating your hard-earned money to Pearson Vue, well they sure are going to be happy you--and others like you--did! ;)

If you INSIST on doing the PVT in spite of all this, I'll leave you with this one nugget of reality, and you can go with it where you want: WAIT AT LEAST 24 hours ANYWAY, as you really do need to wait until the QA review is done (two sets of scores/reviews to your exam are done, sometime over a 24 hour period). If you can't stop yourself from "just seeing what happens", please remember this message if you find that your Happy Dance because you passed turns into an UNhappy cry because you didn't. Or, conversely, you are a mess because you failed....and it turns out you passed.

Some believe they are very smart in using a credit card with invalid info. It's true that this way you don't risk a $200 charge, but honestly....WHAT is the point when it tells you....nothing?

Please, people....you are supposed to be rational human beings ready to be granted a professional nursing license....don't lose your minds now, okay? ?

Specializes in Labor and Delivery, Midwifery.

I used both a valid CC number AND expiration. Still got the good popup. We shall see...

I recently tried it and it was not accurate for me. I passed NCLEX and got the "bad pop-up"

Specializes in Complex pedi to LTC/SA & now a manager.
Ginger88 said:
I recently tried it and it was not accurate for me. I passed NCLEX and got the "bad pop-up"

There is no bad pop up, either you create and are charged fora duplicate registration or you have an existing registration and cannot proceed. (The latter is the "good" pop up) Did you go to the credit card payment page? Everyone does since August 2014 when PV updated the system

I've been trying to find the answer to this but I haven't been able to. Has anyone gotten the good pop-up (24+ hrs after the exam) and it turns out they failed?

EDIT: I dug a little deeper and posted this pre-maturely. I found some threads with the answer to this.

Well, a little over a year it ago it worked for me. I didn't do anything spectacular or special. Just logged in, attempted to register for an exam after having taken my exam 2 hours before. The page attempted to load, but failed stating I couldn't register. This is to be interpreted as the good popup and a pass in most cases. Cases in which you didn't run out of time, use all 265 questions, or anything else... All 12 of us that took the test either finished in 75 questions or a little more, but no one did the above. All of us got the same PVT trick results.

When my test ended at 75 questions, I felt confident that if I had failed I had no idea what I would study. Which is also an indication for me that I did very well despite being always torn on two possible answers or stuck on the SATA.

Specializes in Peds/Neo CCT,Flight, ER, Hem/Onc.
William2 said:
Well, a little over a year it ago it worked for me. I didn't do anything spectacular or special. Just logged in, attempted to register for an exam after having taken my exam 2 hours before. The page attempted to load, but failed stating I couldn't register. This is to be interpreted as the good popup and a pass in most cases. Cases in which you didn't run out of time, use all 265 questions, or anything else... All 12 of us that took the test either finished in 75 questions or a little more, but no one did the above. All of us got the same PVT trick results.

When my test ended at 75 questions, I felt confident that if I had failed I had no idea what I would study. Which is also an indication for me that I did very well despite being always torn on two possible answers or stuck on the SATA.

Not anymore William as they changed the "trick" in August of 2014.

FlyingScot said:
Yes but for the ones it DID NOT work for think of the pain it caused. Just because it works for some does not mean it works for all. People need to stop saying it's accurate because it. just. isn't.

Can anyone direct me to a post where it supports your claims and someone was charged when they passed - where it wasn't a user error? I have not come across any of them. The claim that it is just a "luck of the draw" as to whether or not someone gets charged is based on what again? Other than just a confirmation bias?

Seems pretty clear to me that most posts are claiming it has been accurate for them since the changes last year. It's anecdotal evidence...but what else is there?

Specializes in Peds/Neo CCT,Flight, ER, Hem/Onc.
carson456 said:
Can anyone direct me to a post where it supports your claims and someone was charged when they passed - where it wasn't a user error? I have not come across any of them. The claim that it is just a "luck of the draw" as to whether or not someone gets charged is based on what again? Other than just a confirmation bias?

Seems pretty clear to me that most posts are claiming it has been accurate for them since the changes last year. It's anecdotal evidence...but what else is there?

Yes there have been and no I won't do the work for you. Why do you think we tell you guys this stuff? How does it benefit us? Go ahead and do what you want. Take out a freaking billboard proclaiming the accuracy of the PVT. Who cares who it might negatively impact? I'm sure everybody you know has an extra $200 to gamble away based on your anecdotal evidence. Jeesh we are only trying to help you guys.

carson, you have posted quite a number of messages now on this forum questioning whether those of us who are discrediting the PVT of any validity are in any position to know anything at all. I answered you on two of those posts.

At this point, all I can really suggest is that you either accept that someone really does know something you do not....or....take on the job of the research and draw your own conclusions. Really all there is to do.

People who don't realize that the registration program changed nearly a year ago go ahead and input valid credit card info.....and do sometimes lose out. Those who DO know about the change and don't want to risk losing money put in INvalid card info, and therefore don't risk money. However, they also have gotten the "check with your bank" message that indicates a charge attempt was made....whether or not they passed the exam. And then they are certain they failed, because OTHER people insist that the PVT is very accurate. And then they pass...find out it's NOT accurate. It's happened.

You don't have to believe it, I don't suffer for your lack of belief, but challenging everyone who says this sometimes happens doesn't change the fact that it does.

I am quite familiar with the NCSBN and PVT changes. I am not asking to be educated or looking for advice. I am pointing out that from the beginning, the PVT has never been something that was confirmed by Pearson Vue. Prople trusted it and came to rely on its results based primarily on THE REPORTS OF OTHERS. There are no other "facts" about it that you could possibly have.

The majority of recent posts suggest it has been reilable since the changes last year and I can't understand why you are so determined to convince people otherwise. I find the post of someone sharing their personal experience extrememly relevant. There is a big difference in saying "this is what happened for me" and "this is what will happen for everyone."

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carson456 said:
I am quite familiar with the NCSBN and PVT changes. I am not asking to be educated or looking for advice. I am pointing out that from the beginning, the PVT has never been something that was confirmed by Pearson Vue. Prople trusted it and came to rely on its results based primarily on THE REPORTS OF OTHERS. There are no other "facts" about it that you could possibly have.

The majority of recent posts suggest it has been reilable since the changes last year and I can't understand why you are so determined to convince people otherwise. I find the post of someone sharing their personal experience extrememly relevant. There is a big difference in saying "this is what happened for me" and "this is what will happen for everyone."

Why does it bother you that we try to educate other nurses on the risks the are taking now with the PVT?

carson456 said:
I am quite familiar with the NCSBN and PVT changes. I am not asking to be educated or looking for advice. I am pointing out that from the beginning, the PVT has never been something that was confirmed by Pearson Vue. Prople trusted it and came to rely on its results based primarily on THE REPORTS OF OTHERS. There are no other "facts" about it that you could possibly have.

The majority of recent posts suggest it has been reilable since the changes last year and I can't understand why you are so determined to convince people otherwise. I find the post of someone sharing their personal experience extrememly relevant. There is a big difference in saying "this is what happened for me" and "this is what will happen for everyone."

I told you what I had to say on the topic, and you are free to agree or disagree. What I cannot understand at this point is why it is so very important for you to continually disagree....continually keep poking...?

Your opinion is your own, and you are entitled to it. Are we done now?