If all the nursing school suddenly open the door and let more people in, there will be a overflowed. Think about all those software programmers back in the days, lawyers, MBAs. We used to think lawyers and MBAs can make a pretty good living but now there are too many out on the streets.
I'm sure you guys don't want to see the same thing happen in nursing, don't you? DO NOT increase enrollments of nursing schools please. Otherwise, we will all suffer. Graduate 10,000 new nurses each year across the nation would be enough.
If you are in nursing education, tell the dean DO NOT increase the enrollments therwise, we will all be screwed.
I would have to disagree. Many men would still not do nursing. It's not a clean job like computers where u get to sit at a desk all day. So I disagree with you. There's enough drawbacks to nursing to keep people out, (ie cleaning ass). Plus there's no prestige in nursing either. It's a humbling job. Trust me, you have no worries.
i agree. the job of a bedside nurse is hard and the shortage is at the bedside, so i don't think in general nurses have much to worry about. once people get out of nursing school and see what they have to deal with its easy to not want to do it for the rest of your career...no matter how good the staffing or pay is.
Believe it or not a lot of people go into nursing for wrong reasons such as steady job,reasonable income.
What you list as "wrong" reasons I consider to be strong reasons.
The purpose of my job is to provide me income so that I can live my life in a fashion that I enjoy. Except for being a fighter pilot or an astronaut I can't think of any job that I'd choose to do if it didn't pay well.
Sure, there are other reasons to choose a career than just stability and compensation but those two are very significant. The stability is one major reason that I've chosen to leave engineering and go into nursing.
If all the nursing school suddenly open the door and let more people in, there will be a overflowed. Think about all those software programmers back in the days, lawyers, MBAs. We used to think lawyers and MBAs can make a pretty good living but now there are too many out on the streets.
I'm sure you guys don't want to see the same thing happen in nursing, don't you? DO NOT increase enrollments of nursing schools please. Otherwise, we will all suffer. Graduate 10,000 new nurses each year across the nation would be enough.
If you are in nursing education, tell the dean DO NOT increase the enrollments therwise, we will all be screwed.
The difference is that as a nurse your main focus should be on the safety of the patient first and your job security second. We are not computer programmers writing code. If we are short people die and the stats prove that.
We shouldn't over saturate the market with poor quality for the sake of a body to fill a slot but if the profession is one of high qulaity, high integrity, good pay, safe working environment and leaders with a voice and focus on qulaity patient care then we will all have a place and will attract the best.
I wonder how many students would still apply to nursing school if there would be sudden drop of pay let's say to 15 bucks an hour
I would hope that nursing schools would empty out if they reduced our pay that much.
I have been a nurse about a year now and love my job and taking care of my patients but there is no way I would work for 15 and hour. Nursing is my second career and the pay played a major part in my decision to become a nurse. That does not make me a bad nurse by the way.
The recent replies one from a student "no good nurses"...how can you judge? What is your ruler? That is a very LARGE statement from someone to make who does not face the pressures and responsibilities of that nurse. If your nurse seems "mean", it may be she is focused on the job at hand AND HAS YOU! If you learn anything from working as a nurse, precepting even a student is emotionally draining. IF you think that you will do everything LIKE NURSING SCHOOL ....You are going to be surprised! Unless you are an endless well of patience, compassion, mental agility, physical prowess, and whatever else to get the job done.....YOU WILL NOT SAIL THROUGH YOUR DAY AND HAVE TEXTBOOK PERFECT PATIENTS....under our current staffing conditions, I sometimes think it's a wonder that people survive..
Now, while we may not love our co-workers or how they do a job, we all have our strengths and weaknesses. I always look to someone's day, before I cast aspersions. So when I read a quote from a nurse that "99% of those she works with are unfit" I have to wonder what scale she is using. Again, we all have strengths and weaknesses....some are better at time management than others.....some are always the personality nurses that make the patients stay great.....some are better clinicians than others. I truly believe, the type of orientation afforded the nurse and HER/HIS Coworkers are integral in making them a GREAT NURSE! I get to bounce things off of my co-workers...I am still a novice, even after a few years in ER....Perhaps, those with complaints should be the TEACHERS....if you can complain, and you have opinions....THEN HELP CHANGE IT!
Now for making money.....damn straight! WE don't make enough, we should get more, and if I wanted to be a charitable organization....I'D VOLUNTEER! If I needed a calling I'd be a nun!
So, we do need more nurses....nurses like me with extensive business and technological experience....nurses with ideas and planning from other industries to change the way things are done.
It is a job....it is rewarding to me as a person, but it is a means to making a living in the world, as well. My job is NOT as important as my family and my sanity.
We really don't need more nurses. Hospitals need to work on improving morale, respect, pay, and retention of nurses already there instead of spending money on 'job fairs' and recruiting.
I agree on the pay-well factor as a motivation going into nurse. You can go into a suburban areas such as Sac, CA and stockton, CA and still get a fat pay check. The houses are huge there for like 250K. Consider you are a programmer in the San Francisco bay area getting nearly 100K pay a year but the houses are like 1 million in Silicon Valley. (of cuz there are cheaper ones in San Jose but I'm comparing the same size and same built year) There are basically no tech jobs in the suburban areas. So, its very wise to get into nursing in the suburban and escape from the rat race in the SF bay area.
People are envious because they think nurses make big bucks.Take the hourly pay rate away and let's just see how quickly these people will change their mind about "envy" part.Believe it or not a lot of people go into nursing for wrong reasons such as steady job,reasonable income.I wonder how many students would still apply to nursing school if there would be sudden drop of pay let's say to 15 bucks an hours.
LPN's in this part of the world start at $14.50. RN's start at $18 - 20.
What part? In San Francisco, CNA can make between $22 to $27 per hour. Sac and stockton is only 2 hours away from the SF bay area. The pay for RNs is not much differ from the bay area. (maybe $3 differ)
As I said earlier, its not worthy to stay in the bay area where all the high tech firms are. Why all the high tech firms are in the bay area? Because the boss of the firms and the GOV want it that way. "When employees compete, the employers and GOV win". The media also keep on projecting a good image on high techs, lawyers and MBAs to inspire more and more young people to get into those areas of studies. Therefore, as you can see today we got too many engineers, lawyers and MBAs. Most of them come to the bay area and compete. I love to see more and more people going into those fields and I'll watch them compete from the outside and laugh about it. Tell all your friends DO NOT come into nursing please. Competion is good for the country but not good for the individuals. This competion will drive the business around the area and drive the high tech industry and pay less to the employees. I DO NOT WANT TO SEE THAT HAPPEN IN NURSING FIELD.
I understand that money is an important aspect of life but the paycheck shouldnt be the main motivation factor for enrolling into nursing school because one will never be completely satisfied in his/her career.
It is a job....it is rewarding to me as a person, but it is a means to making a living in the world, as well. My job is NOT as important as my family and my sanity.
We really don't need more nurses. Hospitals need to work on improving morale, respect, pay, and retention of nurses already there instead of spending money on 'job fairs' and recruiting.
You say we dont need more nurses but who will take care of the nurses who will retire??
.thumb.jpg.755b83f43c9f3860c778e2fcb2022ecb.jpg){kind=small}
angel337, MSN, RN
899 Posts
i agree. the job of a bedside nurse is hard and the shortage is at the bedside, so i don't think in general nurses have much to worry about. once people get out of nursing school and see what they have to deal with its easy to not want to do it for the rest of your career...no matter how good the staffing or pay is.