If all the nursing school suddenly open the door and let more people in, there will be a overflowed. Think about all those software programmers back in the days, lawyers, MBAs. We used to think lawyers and MBAs can make a pretty good living but now there are too many out on the streets.
I'm sure you guys don't want to see the same thing happen in nursing, don't you? DO NOT increase enrollments of nursing schools please. Otherwise, we will all suffer. Graduate 10,000 new nurses each year across the nation would be enough.
If you are in nursing education, tell the dean DO NOT increase the enrollments therwise, we will all be screwed.
People are envious because they think nurses make big bucks.Take the hourly pay rate away and let's just see how quickly these people will change their mind about "envy" part.
I didn't know that you knew my friends and what they are thinking!
Actually, the reason they are envious is because they are yearning to change their lives also (perhaps nursing may or may not be a career choice for them) but are afraid to step out of their comfort zone to make a change... and feel, as I did, that they are stuck in soulless career paths.
Okay, like the name says, I spent 20 years in computer engineering, and 4 in disaster recovery. Why did I leave? MBAs started running (and ruining) the show. And I see this starting with nursing. You know what was one of the first things the MBAs did? "There's no programmer shortage, so if you don't want to work 80 hours a week, I'll get someone who will." At the time there WAS a shortage -- there's not now because so many people got laid off d/t the field being ran by people who couldn't understand what we did, and plowing good companies into the ground.
You want to keep nurses? LISTEN to them, don't blow smoke up our scrubs. Don't hire a VP of nursing for a hospital who's got an MBA, sat thru the classes passed the NCLEX and never bedside nursed outside of clinicals. Don't have the CEO of the hospital tell an auditorium full of nurses that working there is a privilage that many people want and a lot of the people working there don't appreciate (read: if you're unhappy, don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya).
Don't sit in a meeting and tell nurses that it's cheaper to hire nurses out of school, and then in the next breath ask why so many Rapid Response Team calls are happening now (uh, because I'm the most "time in title" nurse some nights, and I've been at this just at a year!)
Never forget that nursing school may give you knowledge, but it's experience that gives you wisdom.
I would hope that nursing schools would empty out if they reduced our pay that much.
I have been a nurse about a year now and love my job and taking care of my patients but there is no way I would work for 15 and hour.
In Florida, in 1994, I was being paid $13 and change per hour. I occasionally charged (no extra pay, and still had to carry a full team of patients). And as it was "team nursing", it was a 41 bed floor w/2 RNs "team leading", an LPN on meds (not IV certified) and mostly techs/maybe an extra LPN or two, carrying 6-8 patients apiece. It was a M/S acute care floor.
That thread is true about nurses eating their young. You all were students once, I guess you seem to forget that. If every nurse stayed as enthusiastic as she was when she was in nursing school, patient care would remain excellent. You don't like your job? Your burnt out? Move on. Don't be mean, nasty and hateful to people around you. I'm not even under the nurses I am talking about. I am tired of hearing them all ***** and moan in the break room. Get another job if you hate your so much. Nobody is making you stay.
I agree.This thread is very discouraging to all the the the people who are are thinking to go into nursing in future.It does seems that based on this thread Nurses eat their young.I'm going into my second year of nursing and when/if I become a nurse I will never tell anyone they shouldnt go into nursing because I feel like someone might take my job one day.Live and let people live.And about rude nurses in hospital.I too can count on the fingers of one hand nurses who were nice to me during my previous rotation.I understand that people are overworked,short staffed,tired,burned but is this behavior a way to solve the problems I dont thinks so....
That thread is true about nurses eating their young. You all were students once, I guess you seem to forget that. If every nurse stayed as enthusiastic as she was when she was in nursing school, patient care would remain excellent. You don't like your job? Your burnt out? Move on. Don't be mean, nasty and hateful to people around you. I'm not even under the nurses I am talking about. I am tired of hearing them all ***** and moan in the break room. Get another job if you hate your so much. Nobody is making you stay.
Lol. What a funny post.
This is definitely spoken from mouth of a nursing student, who doesn't have a clue about nursing.
Talk to us after you see what it's like. Until then, keep living in dreamland.
Wow, the people who are supposed to be the most compassionate individuals sure are the most miserable I ever met. Like I said before, get another job. This has been a passion of mine for years. I vow never to become like you, I have no pity for the person who puts themselves in a situation only to complain about it. I have a degree in psych. I didn't like it, so I decided to go with my true passion. I didn't sit around an complain about it and laugh at people who wanted to major in psych. How completely immature. Just because you hate your jobs and can't handle them, doesn't mean you should encourage enthusiastic people to do the same. I am truly sorry you are so miserable, hopefully you will find the passion and joy you once had for this profession.
Okay, like the name says, I spent 20 years in computer engineering, and 4 in disaster recovery. Why did I leave? MBAs started running (and ruining) the show. And I see this starting with nursing. You know what was one of the first things the MBAs did? "There's no programmer shortage, so if you don't want to work 80 hours a week, I'll get someone who will." At the time there WAS a shortage -- there's not now because so many people got laid off d/t the field being ran by people who couldn't understand what we did, and plowing good companies into the ground.
You want to keep nurses? LISTEN to them, don't blow smoke up our scrubs. Don't hire a VP of nursing for a hospital who's got an MBA, sat thru the classes passed the NCLEX and never bedside nursed outside of clinicals. Don't have the CEO of the hospital tell an auditorium full of nurses that working there is a privilage that many people want and a lot of the people working there don't appreciate (read: if you're unhappy, don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya).
Don't sit in a meeting and tell nurses that it's cheaper to hire nurses out of school, and then in the next breath ask why so many Rapid Response Team calls are happening now (uh, because I'm the most "time in title" nurse some nights, and I've been at this just at a year!)
Never forget that nursing school may give you knowledge, but it's experience that gives you wisdom.
Thats exactly what I'm trying to say. I graduated with a bio-chemical engineering degree, one of the hardest undergrad major. I was in a few different kinds of research positions. However, I quickly realized that this career is going nowhere. Community colleges started to offer a so called bio-tech research tech 2-year program and they may even know more specific lab techniques than I do and only getting half of my pay check. You figure what's next??? Now they say the nurses are in shortage, pretty soon it will be overflowed because the everyone going into this field. Just the dot com era, they said the programmers were in shortage but look what happened now. One of the posts says that UC Davis received 100 million dollars funding to open master and doctor program starting in Fall 09. They will take almost 500 students as their first class. Isn't that crazy? The CEOs and MBAs will try everything to produce more and more nurses so that they can lower the your pay checks pretty soon. They would rather give huge funding to schools to get more and more students to saturate the market than paying you and me. Isn't that WONDERFUL?????????????????????????????? :banghead: :banghead:
This is definitely spoken from mouth of a nursing student, who doesn't have a clue about nursing.
Talk to us after you see what it's like. Until then, keep living in dreamland.
Lol...:chuckle
Dont you think it is a little unfair to say that nursing students dont have any clue what nursing is.We as well take care of the patients in our clinical and the only difference is we do it for free (heck, we even have to pay it from our pocket).But what do we get in exchange for this "wonderful" learning experience and helping you season nurses??We get rudness,instead of thank you.We take your two patients or more,take their vital signs,pass meds,assess,treatments etc.So you trust us with our nursing knowledge when it comes to taking care you patients (not per say yours but patients assigned to nurses in general) But on the interner boards according to you we dont know nothing.Why there is so much dislike towards nursing students?
Thats exactly what I'm trying to say. I graduated with a bio-chemical engineering degree, one of the hardest undergrad major. I was in a few different kinds of research positions. However, I quickly realized that this career is going nowhere. Community colleges started to offer a so called bio-tech research tech 2-year program and they may even know more specific lab techniques than I do and only getting half of my pay check. You figure what's next??? Now they say the nurses are in shortage, pretty soon it will be overflowed because the everyone going into this field. Just the dot com era, they said the programmers were in shortage but look what happened now. One of the posts says that UC Davis received 100 million dollars funding to open master and doctor program starting in Fall 09. They will take almost 500 students as their first class. Isn't that crazy? The CEOs and MBAs will try everything to produce more and more nurses so that they can lower the your pay checks pretty soon. They would rather give huge funding to schools to get more and more students to saturate the market than paying you and me. Isn't that WONDERFUL?????????????????????????????? :banghead: :banghead:
The way you keep referring to Nor. Cal I assume you live there? If thats the case, STOP worrying!!! CNA will NEVER let these CEOs and MBAs you speak of lower our pay... As long as you are in a union shop or in an area where non-union employers need to offer competitive pay your pay will remain. Just sayin...
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Bill E. Rubin
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I didn't know that you knew my friends and what they are thinking!
Actually, the reason they are envious is because they are yearning to change their lives also (perhaps nursing may or may not be a career choice for them) but are afraid to step out of their comfort zone to make a change... and feel, as I did, that they are stuck in soulless career paths.