If all the nursing school suddenly open the door and let more people in, there will be a overflowed. Think about all those software programmers back in the days, lawyers, MBAs. We used to think lawyers and MBAs can make a pretty good living but now there are too many out on the streets.
I'm sure you guys don't want to see the same thing happen in nursing, don't you? DO NOT increase enrollments of nursing schools please. Otherwise, we will all suffer. Graduate 10,000 new nurses each year across the nation would be enough.
If you are in nursing education, tell the dean DO NOT increase the enrollments therwise, we will all be screwed.
I'm not going to give up my childhood dream either. I think that was an awful thing to say. I've only been on my rotation for 8 weekd and let me tell y9u I have yet to meet a good nurse. I agree with pay raises and better benefits. My friend works in a hospital here where a nurse can miss up to three day, with no calling in, no questions asked. What other job could you be sooo much more irresponsible in???? I have never seen anything like it.
Specializes in CVICU, Burns, Trauma, BMT, Infection control.
I'm not going to give up my childhood dream either. I think that was an awful thing to say. I've only been on my rotation for 8 weekd and let me tell y9u I have yet to meet a good nurse. I agree with pay raises and better benefits. My friend works in a hospital here where a nurse can miss up to three day, with no calling in, no questions asked. What other job could you be sooo much more irresponsible in???? I have never seen anything like it.
You have yet to meet a good nurse? What?!!
Also there is no place I've ever heard of where someone can miss ANY days without calling in,that is a offence punishable by termination. Your friend is mistaken.
Also there is no place I've ever heard of where someone can miss ANY days without calling in,that is a offence punishable by termination. Your friend is mistaken.
Well in the facility I am on rotation in, I'm not saying all over the world. I am just having a horrible first experience in the medical world as you'll see from my other posts. And the same goes for the ECF I'm in. They don't show up and they don't even write them up. The one nurse there tells me she just stopped coming to work and two weeks later they were calling her and begging her to come back to work. I don't get it.
Well in the facility I am on rotation in, I'm not saying all over the world. I am just having a horrible first experience in the medical world as you'll see from my other posts. And the same goes for the ECF I'm in. They don't show up and they don't even write them up. The one nurse there tells me she just stopped coming to work and two weeks later they were calling her and begging her to come back to work. I don't get it.
If that is bothering you so much, why do you continue to work there?
Specializes in Recovery (PACU)-11 yrs, General-13yrs.
Ok, I assume I'm answering a troll here-train less nurses so you don't end up out of a job????? I'm going to jump right into this, no doubt I shouldn't post this till tomorrow and I've had a chance to cool down, but what the heck, I'll go for it anyway.
I don't know about the US, but here (Australia) the median age of registered nurses is 44, and as a tail end of the baby boomers I want to know-where are the nurses coming from that are going to look after us when it's our turn to enter the nursing homes (as residents not staff!)
It's a very short-sighted view that says there are plenty of us now, why bother training for the future. That is how you end up with a skills shortage, and nursing is not the only career that has suffered from this type of thinking over the past 20-30 years.
And then you have to employ fully trained staff from other countries, that desperately need their own nurses. We have nurses from Africa, Phillipines, India etc etc-you're telling me that their own countries are overstaffed and they don't need nurses, and they have left because they can't get work??? (Obviously that's another hobby horse of mine) Countries that can ill-afford it are paying for the training of staff that we filch. Yes I know that it's each nurses right to live and work where she wants, but they are not all leaving because of lack of opportunity.
I am prepared to cop some flack on this, but really, aren't we all complaining because we're short staffed, over worked etc etc. Yes I know retention rates are not all they could be, pay is very ordinary for the responsiblities/workload etc etc, that management only think about the bottom line, and that the bean counters only know what beans look like.
Just don't get to the end your working life and look around and wonder where all the nurses are, and why have they no experience (cos someone suddenly realised there's no nurses and we'll have to train them all up in a hurry, which equals no experience!)
How people behave to each other is another issue-there will always be ratbags in this world who will treat other people badly, and there will always be sheep who will follow their lead, and being short-staffed will certainly bring that out as the stress of trying to do the work of 2 people in a shift is not guaranteed to bring out the warm and fuzzies in anyone.
I know I've come across all curmudgeonly, but I really am a nice person underneath it all, and I don't eat young nurses-I much prefer chocolate.
I just do flare up sometimes and get all opinionated (well I am 54, have brought up 3 children, and a PACU nurse to boot-all guaranteed to bring out the natural bossiness, I mean assertiveness, in a person).
I totally agree with you.I know computer scientists and other people who would never go into nursing because they have a weak stomach.As a matter fact barely anyone I know would go into nursing.
A little off-topic, but I couldn't just leave this dangling. I had a 20-plus year career in software engineering and management and chose to go into nursing. One of my classmates had nearly 20 years as an accountant. Granted, not many choose that particular path coming from those backgrounds, but many of my former colleagues are envious of me but lack the guts to make such a career move. There are a few who wouldn't "stoop" to it, but the reaction from people is mostly very positive.
A little off-topic, but I couldn't just leave this dangling. I had a 20-plus year career in software engineering and management and chose to go into nursing. One of my classmates had nearly 20 years as an accountant. Granted, not many choose that particular path coming from those backgrounds, but many of my former colleagues are envious of me but lack the guts to make such a career move. There are a few who wouldn't "stoop" to it, but the reaction from people is mostly very positive.
People are envious because they think nurses make big bucks.Take the hourly pay rate away and let's just see how quickly these people will change their mind about "envy" part.Believe it or not a lot of people go into nursing for wrong reasons such as steady job,reasonable income.I wonder how many students would still apply to nursing school if there would be sudden drop of pay let's say to 15 bucks an hours.And then hospitals end up with nurses who are disgusted by the the idea of seeing on touching a patient's poop (believe it or not I had an nursing instructor who used to made disgusted face when they saw poop!Nursing instructor!)
Like I said the people who I know are not jealous of my future nursing career.They think nursing is a good career move but they have other interest than medicine and they would not be happy in that field.Of what they would be jealous I ask.They are passionate about their careers and earn decent salary.
I'm in a small rural hospital. I've seen plenty of nurses that no one in their right mind would hire, but they get hired because there's no other "body" to fill the slot. I mean, there are folks that when I see I'm following them, I think, "oh, crap, I'm going to spend all night straightening out their mess." I've also seen our NM say flat out that she'd get rid of some people if she could, but there's nobody to replace them. I'm not for the "dumbing down" of nursing, but I know how hard I had to fight to get a seat, and half the people in the program should never have been admitted -- "eww, you mean you have to deal with blood and poo?" Ummm, yes, you are dealing with human beings, not martians. I like what one school did, making it mandatory that RN students were either CNAs or LPNs first and had 6 months working in the field prior to admission. I think it would cut down on the people who quit in the first year, because they know what they're signing up for.
Based on how catty nurses are, I would say that 99% of the nurses in the field are unfit.
This is part of our problem.
1) The hospitals are catering to the new young blood regardless of their true dedication to the field and desire to sweat and work hard (not all young fit that)
2) They have no dedication to older seasoned nurses that cost more
3) More often than not, it is the conditions that cause the messes you have to clean up - and YES there are some lazy people in the field, but if the conditions were better, there wouldn't be so many messes to clean up.
I am a good nurse. I want to do my job and do it right. I have been tarred and black-balled by vicious brown-nosers so I don't agree with that statement. I have seen many nurses get the same discrimination when they were hard workers and gave good care but maybe forgot things on occasion. I have seen many nurses get slammed for the same thought that weren't worth tossing to the curb and were still worth keeping to get the work done.
The truth of the matter is that there are MANY nurses in the field that don't belong there. If we weed them out, all of those perfect nurses that have been so judgmental are going to be working a lot harder because you aren't going to find all those perfect nurses to fill all those spots.
It comes back to getting along with eachother and working as a team and accepting that people are different. You never know what is being said about following you. Thing to remember is how vicious women can be and the gossiping and complaining and seems they are never satisfied nor can they just let something alone. Running people down becomes a mission. If we had to start weeding them out.....you may not like what the outcome is and what is left. As a matter of fact, you might get weeded out along with them for something that is wrong with you too.
As far as the start of this topic. Trying to bring new nurses in isn't going to fix the problem. Bringing nurses back, nurse retention and changing the work conditions is the only answer.
Retention is a joke. Hospitals have no clue that for every nurse they ran off they probably turn about 20 nurses against the place. That doesn't create one opening it creates an opening that in all reality a large number of nurses don't want to fill. They will never get it.
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I'm not going to give up my childhood dream either. I think that was an awful thing to say. I've only been on my rotation for 8 weekd and let me tell y9u I have yet to meet a good nurse. I agree with pay raises and better benefits. My friend works in a hospital here where a nurse can miss up to three day, with no calling in, no questions asked. What other job could you be sooo much more irresponsible in???? I have never seen anything like it.