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16 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

How is it different from standing in a line-up or being compelled to provide a blood or DNA sample to investigators?

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What do you have on your cell phone that you want to keep private? Did a photo or a text exchange come to mind? Maybe a list of passwords? Maybe a voicemail you should have deleted?

A California judge has ruled that—in certain situations—people have a right to keep the contents of their phones private.

The ruling also prevents police from forcing people to unlock their cellphone using biometric recognition, which includes facial, fingerprint, or iris identification.

This decision could be groundbreaking. Until now, courts upheld that police could force people to unlock their devices using biometrics but were prevented from making a suspect give over their passcode. A passcode was considered testimony, a statement that had to be willingly and verbally given over. Previously, courts have ruled that biometrics did not fit this definition of testimony and were not protected by Fifth Amendment rights.

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Can Police Force You to Unlock Your Cell Phone?

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53 minutes ago, chare said:

Clearly judges disagree on that...seems if they can compel you to incriminate yourself with body fluids or a line up that they can compel you to get your face in front of a camera. 

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3 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Clearly judges disagree on that...seems if they can compel you to incriminate yourself with body fluids or a line up that they can compel you to get your face in front of a camera. 

And the defendant did it with his own camera.  I'm guessing, however, that he did not send the video to anyone.  If he actually DID send it to anyone, does the situation change as he obviously never attempted to keep it private.  Judgements on this issue have been contradictory which implies to me that they are evaluating the circumstances of each case.

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24 minutes ago, subee said:

And the defendant did it with his own camera.  I'm guessing, however, that he did not send the video to anyone.  If he actually DID send it to anyone, does the situation change as he obviously never attempted to keep it private.  Judgements on this issue have been contradictory which implies to me that they are evaluating the circumstances of each case.

I think it also implies that if they decide that people may not be compelled, that may change other law enforcement or judiciary expectations.  That's a different thread.  

I believe that warrants are intended to breach privacy, locks and secrecy.  This is necessary evolution of our discussion and growth in this world. This kind of change is not comfortable and needs to be examined and rolled over and examined again.  I am not concerned about a credibly accused suspect receiving elevated levels of scrutiny.  That level of individual examination should only occur in situations of credible suspicion of a crime.  IMV

We are a country of law and order.  We are a society that has made rules.  Once those laws and rules are broken, the person accused of the law breaking is subject to extraordinary scrutiny. 

6 hours ago, chare said:

Please show me, and quote the post, in which I have ever shown a lack of regard for the constitution or support for any of the activities of the far right fringe.  If you can't, I you will retract this asinine post.

I await your response.

You referred to the constitution re insurrectionists. 

Are you saying that they can pick and choose which laws to break? 

1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

I think it also implies that if they decide that people may not be compelled, that may change other law enforcement or judiciary expectations.  That's a different thread.  

I believe that warrants are intended to breach privacy, locks and secrecy.  This is necessary evolution of our discussion and growth in this world. This kind of change is not comfortable and needs to be examined and rolled over and examined again.  I am not concerned about a credibly accused suspect receiving elevated levels of scrutiny.  That level of individual examination should only occur in situations of credible suspicion of a crime.  IMV

We are a country of law and order.  We are a society that has made rules.  Once those laws and rules are broken, the person accused of the law breaking is subject to extraordinary scrutiny. 

Why were they at the White house or even in the WH? It's not like there was an official parade! Everyone there was there to protest or subjugate a process in an official election. Unless you had official business in DC close to the WH, they should all be arrested especially after what happened. 

ANY law abiding citizens would have scarpered a long way from the WH because of the progression of events. 

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1 hour ago, Curious1997 said:

Why were they at the White house or even in the WH? It's not like there was an official parade! Everyone there was there to protest or subjugate a process in an official election. Unless you had official business in DC close to the WH, they should all be arrested especially after what happened. 

ANY law abiding citizens would have scarpered a long way from the WH because of the progression of events. 

I agree that their excuses and defenses are basically that they didn't know where they were or what was going on...they were sheeple, blindly following a mob because some politicians and criminals told them to. Lenient treatment is not recommended. 

41 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

I agree that their excuses and defenses are basically that they didn't know where they were or what was going on...they were sheeple, blindly following a mob because some politicians and criminals told them to. Lenient treatment is not recommended. 

Then they should be arrested and deported just for stupidity, American or not. That gene pool is unlikely to produce anything productive if you went to DC and didn't know why you were there? That's grounds for legal confirmation of a disability and should be legally limited to brain damaged status! 

If you decide that you are stupid, then it is only fair that they should be given that status! 

Is Biden or Garland going to open an investigation with the aim of removing him from the Supreme Court?

Mine and your taxes are paying for a rapist on the Supreme Court! 

I would also investigate the FBI and every single one of the agents who were responsible would be prosecuted and then fired with immediate revocation of all benefits like retirement etc, 

I reiterate Biden is himself corrupt, so it's not going to happen. You can't be a senator for all those years and not accumulate baggage. He's the right man for the job currently but he needs to go. 

A strong stand needs to be taken NOW or republicans will continue to erode our democracy! 

Remember Bill Clinton following Bush. Didn't do a thing because he was equally dirty. Obama 2nd Bush, just grateful for his election and didn't want to rock the boat. 

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18 minutes ago, Curious1997 said:

I reiterate Biden is himself corrupt, so it's not going to happen. You can't be a senator for all those years and not accumulate baggage. He's the right man for the job currently but he needs to go. 

Conspiracy theory or do you have evidence, or you just presume long-term congress people have to be corrupt?  

6 hours ago, Curious1997 said:

You referred to the constitution re insurrectionists. 

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No, I referred to the constitution and an individual being tried for several crimes he is alleged to have committed.  An individual who is presumed to be innocent until proven guilty.

6 hours ago, Curious1997 said:

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Are you saying that they can pick and choose which laws to break? 

Are you saying that a prosecutor can pick and choose which of a defendant’s right he or she is going to ignore?

Let me be clear.  I’m not condoning what he, and the others did.  To the contrary, all of these individuals should be prosecuted, and if convicted sentenced to the fullest measure of the law.  This wasn’t a bunch of good ole boys out for an afternoon of partying that got caught up in the moment; this was a semi well planned, armed assault on the US Capitol. 

12 hours ago, Curious1997 said:

So now you are concerned with the constitution?

And, as I previously posted, I'm still waiting on an explanation for this, and the rest of the tripe you posted with it.  Again, please show me where, and quote the post, in which I have ever shown a lack of regard for the constitution or support for any of the activities of the far right fringe.

12 hours ago, Tweety said:

Conspiracy theory or do you have evidence, or you just presume long-term congress people have to be corrupt?  

How about logic? Group dynamics? Washington DC? Politics? 

Look at your own family and friends. How does those dynamics work? Information is a commodity that is ACTUALLY leverage! 

You think about it! 

Adage :I wash your hands, you wash mine!

How do you think Pelosi and McConnell crack the whip? 

Biden is a sharp cookie despite being an overall nice man and frequently crossed the aisle successfully. How? 

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