What do you think about with current News and Opinions?

toomuchbaloney · Jul 27, 2021

4 minutes ago, Beerman said:

"People are scared’: Democrats lose ground on school equity plans

Moderate and suburban voters share concerns about education changes and say national Democrats dismiss their arguments."

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/26/democrats-school-critical-race-theo

You mean republicans scared people with their nonsense culture war boogie man about CRT? Propaganda works...that's why so many conmen, liars and charlatans fare so well in conservative politics. It's sort of funny that anyone might question whether repeating the same BS over and over has the effect of convincing those who hear it over and over; there must be something to it. How many decades have we known this after dealing with the aftermath of propaganda in a World War?

I mean, look at all of the gullible people who believe that the Mueller report exonerated Trump, that Trump didn't abuse his power or lie as a strategy and who believe that Trump didn't lose the last election. Do you think that because some folks believe a thing it must be true? I prefer evidence.

Beerman, BSN · Jul 27, 2021

42 minutes ago, Beerman said:

"People are scared’: Democrats lose ground on school equity plans

Moderate and suburban voters share concerns about education changes and say national Democrats dismiss their arguments."

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/26/democrats-school-critical-race-theo

Correct link:

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/26/democrats-school-critical-race-theory-500729

Beerman, BSN · Jul 27, 2021

35 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

You mean republicans scared people with their nonsense culture war boogie man about CRT? Propaganda works...that's why so many conmen, liars and charlatans fare so well in conservative politics. It's sort of funny that anyone might question whether repeating the same BS over and over has the effect of convincing those who hear it over and over; there must be something to it. How many decades have we known this after dealing with the aftermath of propaganda in a World War?

I mean, look at all of the gullible people who believe that the Mueller report exonerated Trump, that Trump didn't abuse his power or lie as a strategy and who believe that Trump didn't lose the last election. Do you think that because some folks believe a thing it must be true? I prefer evidence.

You obviously didn't read the article, as the link I posted was incomplete.

It's about Democrats who are concerned that CRT is being taught.

Are you saying that Democrats are now being sucked in by conservative propaganda? How does that happen? LOL!

And, again I'm amused by you deflecting by mentioning the Mueller report.

toomuchbaloney · Jul 27, 2021

1 hour ago, Beerman said:

You obviously didn't read the article, as the link I posted was incomplete.

It's about Democrats who are concerned that CRT is being taught.

Are you saying that Democrats are now being sucked in by conservative propaganda? How does that happen? LOL!

And, again I'm amused by you deflecting by mentioning the Mueller report.

You are correct...I didn't read the article because I think the topic is stupid. I don't understand the thinking of republicans and social conservatives that requires that our common history be ignored and hidden...like the history of Oklahoma city or Seneca city. But folks like you are just really triggered by history apparently.

Yeah, I'm saying that all humans are susceptible to propaganda. When we talk about propaganda it's important to mention that bit of Trumpian propaganda, the Mueller report...you are direct evidence that the propaganda worked...

guest1163268 · Jul 28, 2021

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This is How you know you are reading a classy publication!

When they take the time to profile someone like this.

A very classy gentleman. I've had the pleasure to be patted on the head by him, given a cold bottle of water from the stash behind the black door where luggage to be picked up was kept and be addressed as Master as a youngsta.

Tweety, BSN, RN · Jul 28, 2021

I read the article.

I liked this part:

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But Democrats should not ignore the potentially potent politics around critical race theory, said Litman of Run for Something, who compared anxiety about critical race theory to the fear of “death panels” during 2009’s Obamacare debate.

“The Republican Party historically has used this kind of panic effectively,” Litman said. “And they have managed to unite a few different components of anxiety — racial anxiety, anxiety about schools that came up through the pandemic and who’s managing schools, and this idea of cancel culture — in one.”

“It’s irrelevant what the facts are — it’s the way it makes people feel,” Litman concluded.

Republicans have latched on to this issue and blown it and stroked the fears of the base and it's spreading. With Fox News on their side, they've had success at things like this, such as spreading fear about Obamacare and how that would destroy the country, or that Hiliary got away with crimes and should be locked up, etc.

History is interesting. When I was in Spain I saw a huge statue of Columbus and they are still proud of their former empire and how he "discovered America" (America being north and south). I wonder if they were taught about their genocide and destruction of societies there. In Peru it was another story and they were all about the greatness of the native societies and Spanish were evil. In Vietnam when I was there it was called "the War of Aggression of the Americans against Vietnam".

I think history should be taught honestly in it's brutal truth. I guess the challenge is how do you teach the truth without knocking down the aggressor such as Jewish leaders getting upset with how the history of Israel and treatment of Palestinians was being taught. How do you teach racism in institutions without kids coming home saying "defund the police" and violence is justified. How do you teach white teens about their privilege while keeping them striving to achieve great things. Do you teach kids about gender construct that society assigns. Should we change that white people brought over "helpers" to white people enslaved and tortured people.

I think it's a debate worth having and agree that Democrats pushing this agenda do need to take time to listen to concerns and make some compromise. But I think it should move forward. The part about Republicans that have voted for Biden going back Republican is going to be something we will see played out in 2022 which will be party about Biden but also about them returning to their party now that they don't have to make a choice with Trump in it.

In the meantime Republicans will successfully demonize it and like with Obamacare many will be against it without knowing the details.

Heck, even I don't know what it's all about since I don't have much of a stake in it and don't know the fine details. I almost hate to admit that with DeSantis here in Florida being against it, with Fox News publishing many articles against it, with Trump saying it borders on "pyschological abuse" then it's probably something I'm for. LOL

Tweety, BSN, RN · Jul 28, 2021

I've learned a lot this year. Learning about "Critical Race Theory".

Also learned a new term today: Crisis Actor. Referring to the officers testifying yesterday to congress about their experiences on Jan. 6.

toomuchbaloney · Jul 28, 2021

2 hours ago, Tweety said:

I've learned a lot this year. Learning about "Critical Race Theory".

Also learned a new term today: Crisis Actor. Referring to the officers testifying yesterday to congress about their experiences on Jan. 6.

I have read some about this outrage from conservatives over CRT...reading about it gives one the impression that, like the war on Christmas, this is a "concern" designed for the conservative voting base that exists almost exclusively in the minds of those conservatives who are motivated and informed by cable television and social media rhetoric. The outrage is well funded so that it gets wide repetition in the targeted audience.

If you'll recall Tweety, some conservatives also believed that the students who survived mass shootings were crisis actors too. It is interesting that this notion of paying actors to look like a crowd has been thing to project since Trump payed actors to pose as enthusiastic supporters of his bid for the presidency in 2015. The projection is so often childish in how obvious it appears.

guest1163268 · Jul 28, 2021

On 7/27/2021 at 11:22 AM, Curious1997 said:

I really think that a Gofundme page or an activist should hire a private law firm to prosecute Trump and everyone of his cronies for crimes committed against America and abuse of Govt's power!

Biden's Justice Dept doesn't seem interested and a private law firm is likely to have more leeway in getting indictments. In fact this should be the Operating Process against all govt officials who overeach.

Rich donors and the population at large wouldn't have to be dependent on the state prosecuters, who in many instances, actually have a conflict of interest in knowing those officials etc.

The FBI's handling of Kavanagh's background check and rapes. It should be SOP by the population involved with such officials in govt. Trump's cronies could easily have been sued, invoking the discovery process and the EPA or the CDC etc wouldn't have been decimated by his incompetent appointments.

I'm hoping republicans run with this idea, if they are reading this and set a precedent, because far more republicans are corrupt than Dems.

Is anyone going to address this? Do you folks think it's feasible because legally it is. I've confirmed it. Would this be a good viable solution to the political issues?

toomuchbaloney · Jul 28, 2021

10 minutes ago, Curious1997 said:

Is anyone going to address this? Do you folks think it's feasible because legally it is. I've confirmed it. Would this be a good viable solution to the political issues?

Swallwell had begun that line of thinking with a lawsuit against some republican lawmakers, right?

guest1163268 · Jul 29, 2021

2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Swallwell had begun that line of thinking with a lawsuit against some republican lawmakers, right?

Sort of. But it's far more effective to let the experts handle it. I think Swallwell has to do with the Insurrection instigation.

This would be by the people for the people and puts the judge in the hot seat and very likely will go to the Supreme Court. But it's the discovery process which is important.

It puts every politician, both sides in the target range and serves notice through precedent what misbehavior would result in. It would bring up donor funds, religious leanings and influences etc. And, I would like to see on what grounds a judge would dismiss this suit for the people by the people!

It would make them all accountable and probably weed out potential criminals in the future.

toomuchbaloney · Jul 29, 2021

8 minutes ago, Curious1997 said:

Sort of. But it's far more effective to let the experts handle it. I think Swallwell has to do with the Insurrection instigation.

This would be by the people for the people and puts the judge in the hot seat and very likely will go to the Supreme Court. But it's the discovery process which is important.

It puts every politician, both sides in the target range and serves notice through precedent what misbehavior would result in. It would bring up donor funds, religious leanings and influences etc. And, I would like to see on what grounds a judge would dismiss this suit for the people by the people!

It would make them all accountable and probably weed out potential criminals in the future.

You should start that campaign then. Find an attorney that will help you with the legal language and get it going.