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For Just Looking for Now:  You do have an irrational fear of last trimester abortions - operative word here is IRRATIONAL since it has been demonstrated to you multiple times that is even difficult to find any patients or any providers for a "late" abortion on demand.  Exceptions were make in later pregnancy for the life of the mother but I don't remember the work "convenience" as a part of the legal discussion of Roe v Wade.  I did a little research and found the psychological term "phronemophia" which is defined as the fear of thinking.  Perhaps your phobia of late trimester abortion cannot be changed because of phronemophia.  

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3 hours ago, chare said:

What exactly do you think Mr. Thomas meant with his comments?

I have been a member for nearly 20 years, and rarely post in the political forums.  During this time I have seen a few conservative members come and go.  I'm sure the all have their reasons for moving on.  For me, I decided it isn't worth the aggravation.  In my opinion, too many on both sides are not interested in an active debate.  As a result, again my opinion, many of these threads more resemble a feeding frenzy than discussion.

I think that Thomas meant that none of those precedents should be considered settled law.  What do you think he meant?

Yeah, I know who you are in these threads.  It seems that among conservatives commenting here your reasonable and thoughtful comments represent the minority, having little in common with the other "conservative" remarks and attempts at discussion.  Hence the notion that the POV is poorly represented. 

I also agree that it's often not worth the aggravation. Election years are weirdest.  

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19 minutes ago, subee said:

For Just Looking for Now:  You do have an irrational fear of last trimester abortions - operative word here is IRRATIONAL since it has been demonstrated to you multiple times that is even difficult to find any patients or any providers for a "late" abortion on demand.  Exceptions were make in later pregnancy for the life of the mother but I don't remember the work "convenience" as a part of the legal discussion of Roe v Wade.  I did a little research and found the psychological term "phronemophia" which is defined as the fear of thinking.  Perhaps your phobia of late trimester abortion cannot be changed because of phronemophia.  

Right.................. 

Yes I have a fear of late term viable fetuses being terminated. Guilty as  charged!  Perhaps you should start a committee? 

My issue is that democrats will not clarify their abortion stance. 

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24 minutes ago, subee said:

... I'm pretty sure you think I'm an arch anti-military kind of person but that just isn't the truth. ...

Not at all.  Aside from a post questioning the timing of a post regarding the death of 13 Marines and Sailors, I can't think of anything I've posted to leave that impression, but if I did, my apologies.

31 minutes ago, subee said:

... Just because I'm pissed that ANY military people showed up on January 6 ...

Totally agree with this.  We have a saying in the Marine Corps, once a Marine always a Marine, with an expectation that those no longer on active duty continue to conduct themselves, and I presume that the other braches have similar expectations.  In my opinion, none of those veterans in attendance, regardless of branch of service lived up to this expectation. 

39 minutes ago, subee said:

... or that I didn't spare that Navy Seal officer who refused to get vaccinated 

I doubt you were any more angered with this than I was.  I think that the military set a horrible precedent when they allowed any vaccine refuser to remain on active service.

45 minutes ago, subee said:

... does not mean that a have a blanket comdemnation of the military. ...

Again, my apologies if I left that impression.

47 minutes ago, subee said:

... When the war in Iraq began, I started a fundraiser in my department to collect money for ice vests for our troops because I thought it was detestable that our government was not supplying these garments ...

Thank you for doing this.  And it us beyond detestable that any of our service members are feel it necessary to buy any equipment, but it continues still, and is a much bigger problem for our service women.

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10 minutes ago, Justlookingfornow said:

Right.................. 

Yes I have a fear of late term viable fetuses being terminated. Guilty as  charged!  Perhaps you should start a committee? 

My issue is that democrats will not clarify their abortion stance. 

That is an irrational fear.  No committee needed. 

Why do you need democrats to clarify their abortion stance? Democrats did not dump nearly 50 years of legal precedent surrounding abortion.  Democrats were content to leave abortion rights secure with Roe era limits in place.  Democrats were amenable to considering Roe clarifying and improving legislation.  Your "issue" has nothing to do with me... it's yours. 

Besides, I've never been a registered Democrat.  I held office as a libertarian.  

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4 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

That is an irrational fear.  No committee needed. 

Why do you need democrats to clarify their abortion stance? Democrats did not dump nearly 50 years of legal precedent surrounding abortion.  Democrats were content to leave abortion rights secure with Roe era limits in place.  Democrats were amenable to considering Roe clarifying and improving legislation.  Your "issue" has nothing to do with me... it's yours. 

Besides, I've never been a registered Democrat.  I held office as a libertarian.  

I thought you were a "fiscal conservative "? ? 

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39 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

I think that Thomas meant that none of those precedents should be considered settled law.  What do you think he meant?

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I agree.  And I did find it interesting that he seems to believe that SCOTUS “should reconsider” the rights to contraception, same-sex consensual relations, and same-sex marriage, yet didn't mention interracial marriage.

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14 minutes ago, Justlookingfornow said:

I thought you were a "fiscal conservative "? ? 

Do you know what fiscal conservatism is? Or libertarian ideology? Here's an example; fiscal conservatism advocates for ending the death penalty because it is prohibitively expensive. Libertarians are socially liberal (more individual freedom) and fiscally conservative.  

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10 hours ago, Justlookingfornow said:

That's usually to explain complex biological processes or disease in relation to cause of death. 

Exactly.  The complex web of developmental processes that result in various sex characteristics as well those that contribute to gender identity are often inconsistent and unpredictable, science has recognized that biological sex is not a strictly either-or proposition since the 1950's.

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5 minutes ago, MunoRN said:

Exactly.  The complex web of developmental processes that result in various sex characteristics as well those that contribute to gender identity are often inconsistent and unpredictable, science has recognized that biological sex is not a strictly either-or proposition since the 1950's.

It's also established that there needs to be 2 different sex chromosomes in order to reproduce. Xx xy, different and required for pro creation. 

Gender is in relation to the complex emotional,psychological and sociological complexity of humans.  However 2 primary biological sexs must be different to pro-create. Cannot be a little of each, both or neither to reproduce.  Human remains from a 1000 years ago will be either xx or xy. The personal feelings of the person that inhabited the corpse is not detectable.  

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16 minutes ago, Justlookingfornow said:

It's also established that there needs to be 2 different sex chromosomes in order to reproduce. Xx xy, different and required for pro creation. 

Gender is in relation to the complex emotional,psychological and sociological complexity of humans.  However 2 primary biological sexs must be different to pro-create. Cannot be a little of each, both or neither to reproduce.  Human remains from a 1000 years ago will be either xx or xy. The personal feelings of the person that inhabited the corpse is not detectable.  

OK, so what’s your point? Has anyone claimed that two people with the same sex chromosomes can reproduce? 

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24 minutes ago, Justlookingfornow said:

It's also established that there needs to be 2 different sex chromosomes in order to reproduce. Xx xy, different and required for pro creation. 

Gender is in relation to the complex emotional,psychological and sociological complexity of humans.  However 2 primary biological sexs must be different to pro-create. Cannot be a little of each, both or neither to reproduce.  Human remains from a 1000 years ago will be either xx or xy. The personal feelings of the person that inhabited the corpse is not detectable.  

That's not actually correct.

In the vast majority of individuals, those with external genitalia and internal sexual organs that are described as male have XY chromosomes those we describe as females have XX chromosomes.

This is not without exceptions though.  Individuals can have sex organs and genitalia that are consistent with the female sex, but with an XY chromosome, most of these individuals are infertile, however there have been documented cases of XY females giving birth to children.

There's also XX male syndrome, XXY syndrome, XYY syndrome, and individuals born without consistently differentiated female and male genitalia and sex organs (a mix of each).  And while some who's sexual development was not consistently differentiated may be infertile, it's certainly not true of all of them.

As for gender, there seems to be general agreement on either 'side' that at least some portion of gender identity development is innate, in which case there's no reason to believe these innate determinates of gender wouldn't be subject to the same inconsistencies as genitalia and sexual organs.

This is why court's use expert witnesses, such as biologists, for this sort of thing.

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