What do you think about with current News and Opinions?

MaybeeRN · May 29, 2022

11 minutes ago, MunoRN said:

I think "ugly" is probably the politest way to describe your assertion that immigrants just take "freebies" and don't contribute adequately.

I would agree that asylum seekers who come here fleeing corrupt oligarchies and ethnic bias aren't very likely to vote for anything reminiscent of that, maybe that's the bigger problem.

how are low skilled low educated illegal immigrants contributing more than they take? They are likely to vote for Democrats because Democrats buy votes at the expense of the producers.

11 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

That's partisan political baloney... congratulations. What an ugly belief system you've admitted to.

It's called the truth.

MaybeeRN · May 29, 2022

4 hours ago, subee said:

Sez you. It's already been pointed out to you that we are obligated to determine their asylum status before we can turn people away. It is a LAW. I don't see any Republicans coming up with a solution. If I've missed something, please list their proposals. If it weren't a LAW that they are entitled to an asylum review, then the case wouldn't be in the Supreme Court. It will be interesting to see how the Supreme Court will decide this without having to demonstrate that they don't believe in laws.

read the previous posts about international law. I might be wrong but I believe somewhere about 99% of the asylum seekers are denied.

Justlookingfornow · May 29, 2022

23 minutes ago, MaybeeRN said:

how are low skilled low educated illegal immigrants contributing more than they take? They are likely to vote for Democrats because Democrats buy votes at the expense of the producers.

It's called the truth.

I believe what the member is alluding to is the "replacement theory" where white people are in fear of being replaced.

I think you are referring to democrats creating a voting base. So perhaps could be described as voter relacemennt/creation).

I will allow you to clarify if you are describing "replacement theory" as your belief before I make any judgment as to how "ugly" something may be.

Tweety, BSN, RN · May 30, 2022

I wonder if 99% of them are denied under the Biden administration, what is all the fuss? Also, how is it that the 1% that make it through have the right to vote Democrat or even the right to vote. Riddle me this please.

I would venture to say refugees and new immigrants probably do vote because they take their citizenship seriously. Unlike Americans that have a poor voter turnout.

I'm just not convinced that Democrats need voters and want to recruit them through illegal immigrations. Especially given that Biden won during Title 41.

toomuchbaloney · May 30, 2022

1 hour ago, MaybeeRN said:

how are low skilled low educated illegal immigrants contributing more than they take? They are likely to vote for Democrats because Democrats buy votes at the expense of the producers.

It's called the truth.

https://www.investopedia.com/financial-edge/0809/3-ways-immigration-helps-and-hurts-the-economy.aspx

https://www.cbpp.org/research/poverty-and-inequality/immigrants-contribute-greatly-to-us-economy-despite-administrations

Millions of Americans are having trouble discerning truth.

subee, MSN, CRNA · May 30, 2022

2 hours ago, MaybeeRN said:

read the previous posts about international law. I might be wrong but I believe somewhere about 99% of the asylum seekers are denied.

How many are refused is irrelevant to your argument because they have to receive some services from our government while they wait for their court hearing. That is the law passed by the US congress. Don't complain to us if you don't like it; complain to your legislators. I'm not sure that I'm not the only person here depressed by your hatred.

Home Health Columnist / Guide · May 30, 2022

Posting some clarifying information re voting, citizenship and immigration status.

Austin American Statesman Dec. 7, 2020

Fact-check: Do states verify U.S. citizenship as a condition for voting?

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Donald Trump: “No state in the country verifies United States citizenship as a condition for voting in federal elections.”

PolitiFact’s ruling: Mostly False,,,,

Both the federal registration form and state versions warn that making false statements is a crime and that noncitizens should not fill out the form.

The consequences for noncitizens registering or voting include deportation, incarceration or fines. Noncitizens risk that a government official will check their voting record during a background check if they apply for naturalization.

"So anyone who’s not a citizen, and lies, is setting themselves up not only for future prosecution, but tanking their ability to become a citizen some day," said Loyola Law School professor Justin Levitt....

Databases and driver’s licenses: How states limit noncitizen voting

Some states have permission to use a federal resource of data, called the Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements, or SAVE, for the purposes of verifying that voter registration applicants are citizens. Implemented in 1987 and administered by U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, SAVE was originally intended to verify eligibility for government benefits, such as Medicaid. SAVE is not a database of people who are U.S. citizens, but it will show a person’s immigration or citizenship status....

Wendy Underhill, an election expert at the National Conference of State Legislatures, said that in some states, driver’s license records are better for verifying citizenship than they’ve ever been. Some state driver’s license systems are set up to ask a person if they want to register to vote only after they have shown a birth certificate or naturalization paper that proves citizenship. ....

In Georgia, applications for voter registration are compared with data from the state Department of Driver Services and the Social Security Administration...

U.S. Gov. Regs:

Citizenship:

Have had a Permanent Resident (Green) Card for at least five years, or for at least three years if you’re filing as the spouse of a U.S. citizen.

Pathway to U.S. Citizenship outlines citizenship process.

How to Enter the U.S.

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Refugees are people who fled their homes for a variety of reasons, including persecution (or the fear of persecution) and war, to find protection elsewhere...

You may seek a referral for refugee status only from outside of the United States. For more information about refugees, see the Refugees section....

Asylum is a form of protection available to refugees. You must meet certain conditions to request asylum in the United States.

Asylum status is a form of protection available to people who:

Meet the definition of refugee

Are already in the United States

Are seeking admission at a port of entry

Affirmative Asylum Processing with USCIS

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To obtain asylum through the affirmative asylum process you must be physically present in the United States. You may apply for asylum regardless of how you arrived in the United States or your current immigration status.

Defensive Asylum Processing with EOIR

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A defensive application for asylum occurs when you request asylum as a defense against removal from the United States. For asylum processing to be defensive, you must be in removal proceedings in immigration court with the Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR).

Asylee benefits are time limited once asylum granted! Cash and medical assistance provided up to 8 months while language, job assistance, resume writing etc, available up to 5 years.

Office of Refugee Resettlement: Asylee Eligibility for Assistance and Service

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If you have been granted asylum in the United States, you may be eligible to receive assistance and services through the Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR). Programs include cash and medical assistance, employment preparation and job placement, and English language training.

You may only receive certain assistance and services for a limited period of time. Asylees may apply to receive refugee cash and medical assistance for up to 8 months beginning on the date that they are granted asylum.

These programs are run by state and private agencies in various locations throughout the United States. Each state may have different programs available. To find out what is available and where to go for assistance and services in your state, please click on your state on the ORR funding map to see service providers and key contacts.

Home Health Columnist / Guide · May 30, 2022

Vaccines for Immigrants and Refugees

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Refugees and immigrants seeking admission into the U.S. are required to have a medical examination.

During the medical examination, a healthcare professional checks for specific diseases and assesses immunization status. The healthcare professional may run blood tests to find out which vaccines the refugee or immigrant may need. For more information, see Medical Examination of Immigrants and Refugees.

Current Vaccination Criteria for U.S. Immigration

Newsweek 3/5/21

Fact Check: Are COVID-Positive Migrants Allowed to Cross Southern Border Into U.S.?

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Whether migrants are tested for COVID-19 depends on their immigration category. Individuals waiting on immigration proceedings in Mexico as part of the Migrant Protection Protocols (MPP) are tested by United Nations officials for COVID-19 before entering the United States. Migrants are taken to a staging area, where they must test negative in order to cross the border at a port of entry.

MPP is a Trump-era program that forces migrants who arrive at the Southwest border to return to Mexico to wait during their U.S. immigration proceedings. There are about 25,000 individuals in the MPP program with pending cases before the Executive Office of Immigration Review, according to the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). The DHS suspended new enrollment into the program on January 21, 2021....

...According to DHS, "those who test positive will be supported by facilitating organizations to isolate and/or seek treatment in line with the policy of the relevant local health authority in Mexico. Following isolation and screening, such an individual will again be eligible for facilitated arrival at a designated port of entry."

New arrivals at Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) facilities also are tested within 12 hours of arrival and are separated from the rest of the population in the facilities to prevent potential transmission.

No, Biden Isn’t Letting Thousands of ‘Illegal Immigrants’ into US Without COVID Testing

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What's False

Migrants are not behind the surge in COVID-19 cases across the country. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) says it provides personal protective equipment and masks, and also send migrants to local health facilities for testing, diagnosis, and treatment. ICE statistics and policies governing their interactions with partner agencies also show they conduct testing of migrants at high risk of COVID-19. ICE has also begun vaccinating immigrants held in detention, although the implementation is reportedly inadequate.

CBS News 3/28 /22

U.S. expands COVID-19 vaccinations of migrants in border custody

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The Biden administration is expanding efforts to vaccinate migrants in U.S. custody against the coronavirus as border authorities prepare for potential policy changes that could increase the number of people they need to process, according to a notification shared with Congress and obtained by CBS News.

U.S. agents will begin to offer COVID-19 vaccines to migrants in Customs and Border Protection (CBP) custody who are processed under regular immigration procedures and can't show proof of vaccination, the March 25 notification states.

The vaccination efforts are set to start at 11 locations along the southern border, before expanding to 16 additional sites by April 8, according to the congressional notification, which says officials hope to distribute 2,700 vaccines per day during the first phase. After expanding to phase 2, slated to begin on April 18, officials expect to be able to vaccinate up to 6,000 migrants daily by late May.

MaybeeRN · May 30, 2022

3 hours ago, Tweety said:

I wonder if 99% of them are denied under the Biden administration, what is all the fuss? Also, how is it that the 1% that make it through have the right to vote Democrat or even the right to vote. Riddle me this please.

I would venture to say refugees and new immigrants probably do vote because they take their citizenship seriously. Unlike Americans that have a poor voter turnout.

I'm just not convinced that Democrats need voters and want to recruit them through illegal immigrations. Especially given that Biden won during Title 41.

I'm talking future voters hence the call for amnesty. blue collar voters are leaving democrats in droves. Non-citizens can certainly vote in local elections in some blue cities. The asylum seekers are not going before an immigration judge the day get here so your 1% claim is typical nonsense.

MaybeeRN · May 30, 2022

3 hours ago, subee said:

How many are refused is irrelevant to your argument because they have to receive some services from our government while they wait for their court hearing. That is the law passed by the US congress. Don't complain to us if you don't like it; complain to your legislators. I'm not sure that I'm not the only person here depressed by your hatred.

hater, racist, christofascist, homophobe, etc = anyone who wins an argument with a liberal. And no they are not required to receive services. Look at the laws on the books Immigration Act of 1882, and the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act signed in 1996.

toomuchbaloney · May 30, 2022

6 hours ago, MaybeeRN said:

I'm talking future voters hence the call for amnesty. blue collar voters are leaving democrats in droves. Non-citizens can certainly vote in local elections in some blue cities. The asylum seekers are not going before an immigration judge the day get here so your 1% claim is typical nonsense.

"Future voters" ... hahaha

It must be that you have decided that all immigrants and refugees will vote for the political party that doesn't demonize them as a group, or the political party that doesn't campaign by calling them a criminal or a taker. Of course, I'm visiting in the home of the adult child of political refugees and I have some first hand experience. Those folks aren't politically "liberal" and neither are the middle eastern immigrants that are related to me by marriage. All of them, however, are concerned about the nature of current republican politics... which seem more authoritarian and corrupt rather than conservative to them. Interestingly, I get to interact regularly with a political refugee from the USSR and his wife. They are interesting to talk to about world politics.

I am enamored with your claim of "typical nonsense"... while you share right wing rhetoric like it's air.

Tweety, BSN, RN · May 30, 2022

8 hours ago, MaybeeRN said:

I'm talking future voters hence the call for amnesty. blue collar voters are leaving democrats in droves. Non-citizens can certainly vote in local elections in some blue cities. The asylum seekers are not going before an immigration judge the day get here so your 1% claim is typical nonsense.

I was responding to you saying " I might be wrong but I believe somewhere about 99% of the asylum seekers are denied." Admittedly I was tired after a grueling 12 hour shift and misunderstood perhaps.

I can't tell you how to think or attempt to change your mind, but only say how I feel. If you believe in Replacement Theory, that border policy is only about getting future democrats in, that's your prerogative.

Calls for amnesty for undocumented workers have been around since the 80's and any proposed bills don't get far. For me and other people it's more about the decency of allowing hard working people that have been here for years sometimes contributing to society, not getting into trouble, not getting free stuff, and some even paying taxes, a path to citizenship not about them voting.

That the Republican Party is becoming a party of blue collar workers is true. Hispanic blue collar workers are included in this process as well. You would think that the Republican Party would try to appeal to them as well. Imagine a party that appeals to blue collar workers being perceived as more friendly to immigrants.