What do you think about with current News and Opinions?

toomuchbaloney · May 27, 2022

2 hours ago, Tweety said:

By saying he was wrong about his trade agreements? Really, Trump admitting he was wrong? Or how would he "persuade Trudeau" in your opinion?

Never mind. I just remembered I don't care.

Quid pro quo persuasion, maybe?

Justlookingfornow · May 27, 2022

23 minutes ago, subee said:

But you just posted that unlike Trump, Biden is allowing tens of thousands of people across the border every month. I am postulating that you do care about Trump, contrary to your "I don't care about Trump. He's not the POTUS anymore," I'm also not finding any evidence of gates being opened ti allow hoards of detainees in. We do still have illegals sneaking in around the ports of entry but that never stops. What do you want us to do? Shoot them? Really, what's your plan here? Trump had plenty of opportunities to have his MAGA crap produced in these countries but he went to China. Ivanka could have had her shoe factories put there. Why should we have to bow to our enemy China? Just to make cheap crap we don't need even cheaper?

I didn't make that post. Go back and read again. Another member make the comment about Biden allowing illegal immigrants. It was not me.

Justlookingfornow · May 27, 2022

46 minutes ago, subee said:

How do you know that for a fact? I had no idea what your religion was but no surprise there. Religious ideals are not necessarily ethical but if we grew up in America, most people are inculcated into Christianity which happens to very influential in our politics. A significant number of people here aren't Christian and have other religious forms of brainwashing different from yours. But in all of this, you have failed to prove that women are having 3rd trimester abortions and that the few women who might need one should be punished and forced by politicians to endure such psychic or physical consequences. You haven't proved your claim that live babies are being murdered by abortionists so everything else you say is BS.

I still didn't say what my religion is,or if I even subscribe to one. You seem to make several assumptions of people. And possibly discriminate based on religion.

I have an independent mind and am not easily brainwashed. I also didn't say women are having late term abortions so I guess you're accurate that I didn't prove a claim I didn't make. Nor did I say women should be punished for needing one. And I definitly didn’t claim live babies are being murderd by abortionist! Considering you assume my political affiliation, the one you would probably relate to conspiracy theories, you come up with some fantastical ideas that I didn't even say!

I have several times said a early delivery intervention should be available. I had 2 myself. In those cases all attempts are made to save the baby as well.

The only thing I said about politicians is that some avoid answering or clarifying restrictions on abortions.

No Stars In My Eyes, LPN · May 27, 2022

Speaking of shortages, there is a shortage of HUBBA-BUBBA Outrageous Original flavor, bubblegum-tape that comes in a round, pink plastic container. This is a serious shortage! One cannot substitute Bubble Yum, it is just not the same.

(!) I know the baby formula shortage is serious and the hubba-bubba shortage is not altogether too very serious.

I just wanted all of y'all to take a breath and relax.

Tweety, BSN, RN · May 27, 2022

Title 42 will remain in place.

Lambasting the CDC is something people like to do. It's interesting when it comes to covid protocol recommendations for Americans, they don't know what they are doing and it's a violation of our rights, but when it's about lifting protocols at the border, they want to keep covid protocols.

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The Department of Homeland Security, officials say, is operating under the belief that numbers will remain high even with Covid-19 border restrictions still in place. The number of border crossings generally increase in the Spring, but the current pace of record numbers highlights the continued urgency on the US-Mexico border.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/24/politics/title-42-border-crossings/index.html

6 hours ago, No Stars In My Eyes said:

I just wanted all of y'all to take a breath and relax.

Justlookingfornow · May 27, 2022

9 hours ago, Tweety said:

Title 42 will remain in place.

Lambasting the CDC is something people like to do. It's interesting when it comes to covid protocol recommendations for Americans, they don't know what they are doing and it's a violation of our rights, but when it's about lifting protocols at the border, they want to keep covid protocols.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/24/politics/title-42-border-crossings/index.html

That's a great point! About some America's seeing COVID restrictions as a violation to their rights but expected them at the boarder.

Perhaps it's a double standard they are concerned with? I feel COVID restriction in some setting are necessary, perhaps not so much in other settings. However, we are unable to know if these people at the boarder are vaccinated or not. Considering the terrible health care in their countries they are so desperately fleeing, I think it would be reasonable to assume they are not vaccinated. Not to mention the close proximity to each other when they travel is a perfect environment for transmission.

I'm unsure of the vaccine delivery at the boarder currently, but I believe there was a time when they were permitted to enter non vaccinated and were not receiving vaccines before being distributed to different areas of the country.

In the context of above, I can see some people feeling their freedom is restricted if they have not been vaccinated but people are being allowed in or getting in legally or not, and they are unable to do some basic things because they are not vaccinated.

In my opinion it does seem like a double standard to enforce restrictions on some current citizens but be so relaxed on non citizens.

When we were at one point having to stay home, in our houses because of possible transmission but people are in coming in in large numbers, held in crowded holding facilities, and no or unknown vaccine, serves as a contradiction and reduces trust in the professionals, government and the CDC.

Not to mention the fact that it doesn't seem that there was any more infection rate in the migrants,who were most likely not vaccinated, in close proximity of each other, so this also reduces trust in some Americans. Especially in the Americans who lost their homes,businesses and lively hood because of the COVID restrictions.

subee, MSN, CRNA · May 27, 2022

18 hours ago, Justlookingfornow said:

I didn't make that post. Go back and read again. Another member make the comment about Biden allowing illegal immigrants. It was not me.

You are correct. Thank you.

Tweety, BSN, RN · May 27, 2022

58 minutes ago, Justlookingfornow said:

That's a great point! About some America's seeing COVID restrictions as a violation to their rights but expected them at the boarder.

Perhaps it's a double standard they are concerned with? I feel COVID restriction in some setting are necessary, perhaps not so much in other settings. However, we are unable to know if these people at the boarder are vaccinated or not. Considering the terrible health care in their countries they are so desperately fleeing, I think it would be reasonable to assume they are not vaccinated. Not to mention the close proximity to each other when they travel is a perfect environment for transmission.

I'm unsure of the vaccine delivery at the boarder currently, but I believe there was a time when they were permitted to enter non vaccinated and were not receiving vaccines before being distributed to different areas of the country.

In the context of above, I can see some people feeling their freedom is restricted if they have not been vaccinated but people are being allowed in or getting in legally or not, and they are unable to do some basic things because they are not vaccinated.

In my opinion it does seem like a double standard to enforce restrictions on some current citizens but be so relaxed on non citizens.

When we were at one point having to stay home, in our houses because of possible transmission but people are in coming in in large numbers, held in crowded holding facilities, and no or unknown vaccine, serves as a contradiction and reduces trust in the professionals, government and the CDC.

Not to mention the fact that it doesn't seem that there was any more infection rate in the migrants,who were most likely not vaccinated, in close proximity of each other, so this also reduces trust in some Americans. Especially in the Americans who lost their homes,businesses and lively hood because of the COVID restrictions.

I appreciate your concern for their safety and their likely unvaccinated status. It's worth noting their acceptance of the vaccine is higher than Americans.

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Those who cannot demonstrate proof of prior vaccination are counseled to receive a vaccine shot while in CBP custody, Gandhi said, noting the "overwhelming majority" of migrants opt to get vaccinated. The vaccine refusal rate among migrants in border custody, he added, stands in "the low teens."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/immigration-covid-19-vaccination-migrants-us-border-custody/

As vaccinations don't necessarily stop transmission a simple test at the border might suffice. If I travel out of the country I need to take a covid test and be negative before I can enter back in and I've had three vaccinations.

I'm not saying what you are saying doesn't make some sense. I still would venture a guess that people that want zero covid restrictions inside the border but at the border aren't really concerned about covid since they aren't concerned about covid every other day. It's about keeping them out. That it's Biden's idea to go along with the CDC makes it worse. They don't like the CDC or Biden, or immigrants.

Justlookingfornow · May 28, 2022

4 hours ago, Tweety said:

I appreciate your concern for their safety and their likely unvaccinated status. It's worth noting their acceptance of the vaccine is higher than Americans.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/immigration-covid-19-vaccination-migrants-us-border-custody/

As vaccinations don't necessarily stop transmission a simple test at the border might suffice. If I travel out of the country I need to take a covid test and be negative before I can enter back in and I've had three vaccinations.

I'm not saying what you are saying doesn't make some sense. I still would venture a guess that people that want zero covid restrictions inside the border but at the border aren't really concerned about covid since they aren't concerned about covid every other day. It's about keeping them out. That it's Biden's idea to go along with the CDC makes it worse. They don't like the CDC or Biden, or immigrants.

I can agree with most if that. Except the not liking immigrants part.

I think most Americans are concerned with large numbers of possible immigration but that's doesn't mean they don't like immigrants as individuals.

If they don't like anything it's illegal immigration. I understand the plight of some but it doesn't look very nice that the first thing an individual does is break the law of the country in which they wish to live.

Justlookingfornow · May 28, 2022

4 hours ago, Tweety said:

I appreciate your concern for their safety and their likely unvaccinated status. It's worth noting their acceptance of the vaccine is higher than Americans.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/immigration-covid-19-vaccination-migrants-us-border-custody/

As vaccinations don't necessarily stop transmission a simple test at the border might suffice. If I travel out of the country I need to take a covid test and be negative before I can enter back in and I've had three vaccinations.

I'm not saying what you are saying doesn't make some sense. I still would venture a guess that people that want zero covid restrictions inside the border but at the border aren't really concerned about covid since they aren't concerned about covid every other day. It's about keeping them out. That it's Biden's idea to go along with the CDC makes it worse. They don't like the CDC or Biden, or immigrants.

I can agree with most if that. Except the not liking immigrants part.

I think most Americans are concerned with large numbers of possible immigration but that's doesn't mean they don't like immigrants as individuals.

If they don't like anything it's illegal immigration. I understand the plight of some but it doesn't look very nice that the first thing an individual does is break the law of the country in which they wish to live.

Besides it being a Trump policy, what is wrong with the remain in Mexico policy?

Tweety, BSN, RN · May 28, 2022

8 hours ago, Justlookingfornow said:

I can agree with most if that. Except the not liking immigrants part.

I think most Americans are concerned with large numbers of possible immigration but that's doesn't mean they don't like immigrants as individuals.

If they don't like anything it's illegal immigration. I understand the plight of some but it doesn't look very nice that the first thing an individual does is break the law of the country in which they wish to live.

Besides it being a Trump policy, what is wrong with the remain in Mexico policy?

I really don't know a lot of about Title 42 but I do know it's a pretense and not about covid at this point. For example the poster here that complained that Trump wouldn't allow "tens of thousands of people in per month" never mentioned covid concerns.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/04/01/title-42-biden-repeal-border-policy-00022416

I understand that people don't care for illegal immigrantion. Democrats don't either and Democrat Presidents like Clinton and Obama deported lots of them. I also like to sift through the rhetoric of "Biden and Democrats want an open border that will allow tens of thousands of illegal immigrants into the country...blah blah blah"...."illegals are taking our jobs and committing crimes..."

https://www.newyorker.com/news/current/trumps-dangerous-scapegoating-of-immigrants-at-the-state-of-the-union

I also try to sift through the rhetoric of the left about what's wrong with keeping them in Mexico.

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Under the Title 42 order, the Biden administration has repeatedly denied people fleeing violence and persecution the right to seek protection and has sent them directly back into harm’s way, subjecting Black and LGBTQ+ asylum seekers to particular risks. Human rights organizations have documented nearly ten thousandheartbreaking instances of people being kidnapped, tortured, sexually assaulted, and murdered as a result.

These mass expulsions to danger fly in the face of American values and U.S. legal commitments. They are also an affront to the basic humanity of people seeking safe sanctuary and lack a public health rationale.

https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/title-42-isn't-supported-by-science-the-CDC-must-end-it-now

Justlookingfornow · May 28, 2022

8 hours ago, Tweety said:

I really don't know a lot of about Title 42 but I do know it's a pretense and not about covid at this point. For example the poster here that complained that Trump wouldn't allow "tens of thousands of people in per month" never mentioned covid concerns.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/04/01/title-42-biden-repeal-border-policy-00022416

I understand that people don't care for illegal immigrantion. Democrats don't either and Democrat Presidents like Clinton and Obama deported lots of them. I also like to sift through the rhetoric of "Biden and Democrats want an open border that will allow tens of thousands of illegal immigrants into the country...blah blah blah"...."illegals are taking our jobs and committing crimes..."

https://www.newyorker.com/news/current/trumps-dangerous-scapegoating-of-immigrants-at-the-state-of-the-union

I also try to sift through the rhetoric of the left about what's wrong with keeping them in Mexico.

https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/title-42-isn't-supported-by-science-the-CDC-must-end-it-now

I know it sounds simplistic but......

In my opinion instead of allowing large amounts of immigrants into the country, scrambling to where to place them when they get here, why can't we focus on making their own countries better?

This could include some funding for their government. Incentives,training programs things like that.

I will say I do not fault even 1 for wanting a better life for their children and I might do the exact samething thing for mine.