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26 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Okay, why do you think that you don't understand why women desire bodily autonomy that is not subject to the political whims and religious beliefs of other people? 

I do understand that. What I don't understand is the opposition to restricted abortion from those who say that there is little demand for abortion, that there would be little or no instances where a woman would request one other than to save her life or in cases of congenital abnormalities.  

So the opposition is to make  politicians/religious people  know that they do not have any say in a woman's  autonomy by oppositing  restrictions that would prevent them from having a proceedure that they or anyone else  wouldn't want anyway? 

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1 hour ago, Justlookingfornow said:

If you wish to comment and discuss, it. Is it unreasonable to ask you what your positions is on abortion later in pregnancy or otherwise? 

You have to take into account in reference to the link you posted that request for abortions in later pregnancy is very low is in part because they are illegal, now. There is no data on how many there would be if it wasn't illegal. That hasn't happened. 

Also if it's not worth considering at all for the reasons in the link you posted (low demand/women seeking) then why the opposition to restricted abortion law. You know because the numbers of women wanting abortion in later pregnancy is so low? So why would the restrictions matter? 

The law restricts abortions at 24 weeks except for patients in extremis.   What is wrong with leaving the law as it stands?  This movement is led by people who want miniscule exceptions.  I do believe that they are radicalized enough to go after birth control next.  If things stand as they are now, what factors do you believe contribute to more people demanding late term abortions on demand?  Jewish space lasers would kill you before that happened so why don't you worry about something real like lack of easy access to birth control for all who want it and educating girls that there are alternatives to being a single mother that are more attractive?  Why can't we direct our energies to making abortion rare?

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1 hour ago, Justlookingfornow said:

If you wish to comment and discuss, it. Is it unreasonable to ask you what your positions is on abortion later in pregnancy or otherwise? 

You have to take into account in reference to the link you posted that request for abortions in later pregnancy is very low is in part because they are illegal, now. There is no data on how many there would be if it wasn't illegal. That hasn't happened. 

Also if it's not worth considering at all for the reasons in the link you posted (low demand/women seeking) then why the opposition to restricted abortion law. You know because the numbers of women wanting abortion in later pregnancy is so low? So why would the restrictions matter? 

You've answered the question in your own last paragraph so I don't even know why you are on this thread.  In case you don't understand what you just wrote then yes, we don't want religious persons and politicians interfering with a medical decision.  Yes, we want to keep abortions in the earlier stages of pregnancy legal.  Bit yes, we want a later term abortion available to women who didn't find out until that point that the pregnancy will not result in a viable child or for some other unique problem that those of us who don't work in obstetrics never get to see. Again, what is your point in being here because your reasoning is circular.  

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32 minutes ago, subee said:

The law restricts abortions at 24 weeks except for patients in extremis.   What is wrong with leaving the law as it stands?  This movement is led by people who want miniscule exceptions.  I do believe that they are radicalized enough to go after birth control next.  If things stand as they are now, what factors do you believe contribute to more people demanding late term abortions on demand?  Jewish space lasers would kill you before that happened so why don't you worry about something real like lack of easy access to birth control for all who want it and educating girls that there are alternatives to being a single mother that are more attractive?  Why can't we direct our energies to making abortion rare?

I would absolutely like to direct the attention to making abortions rare. And making birth control more assessable and free for those who need it. I have a teen daughter, she has a boyfriend and she is on birthcontrol.I have a teen son and yup! He has condoms.  Her friends come to me to help with talking to their parents about reproductive heath. I have received criticism for getting her on birth control.  I do not really care because abortion should be rare and I do not want her to have one. 

It seems the majority of the attention from our politicians is digging their heels in and not actually coming to a solution. Like babies fighting over candy. No collaboration,no compromise. 

I don't think there would be more of a demand I was just pointing out you cannot conclude how many people would seek abortion on demand because as it is, that's not an option. Abortion on demand would have to be legal and in place  in order to get that stat. 

I don't know anything about Jewish space lazers.  However I highly doubt that the would be a push for birthcontrol restrictions. If there were, I highly doubt it would go anywhere. 

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24 minutes ago, subee said:

You've answered the question in your own last paragraph so I don't even know why you are on this thread.  In case you don't understand what you just wrote then yes, we don't want religious persons and politicians interfering with a medical decision.  Yes, we want to keep abortions in the earlier stages of pregnancy legal.  Bit yes, we want a later term abortion available to women who didn't find out until that point that the pregnancy will not result in a viable child or for some other unique problem that those of us who don't work in obstetrics never get to see. Again, what is your point in being here because your reasoning is circular.  

I'm on this thread because it is open to anyone. I have been just looking for a while but have decided that there are something that just looking isn't enough. Why are you on this thread? 

Is there a TOC where diverse and differnt opinions are not permitted? Or only people with the same ideals are permitted to post? 

You said,

"Bit yes, we want a later term abortion available to women who didn't find out until that point that the pregnancy will not result in a viable child or for some other unique problem that those of us who don't work in obstetrics never get to see.". There's a restriction. So some restrictions are acceptable? You stated one in your own words.

You don't want religious people or politicians to decide if a woman can't have an abortion in later pregnancy but it's perfectly fine for the same religious people /politicians to permitt it? 

So what's the problem with placing restrictions on abortions unless infact, some want it for convenience? 

Could you clarify? Are religious institutions  trying to dictate a woman's reproductive health? Or are the politician who are debating it,a religion in which you do not agree with? 

I believe the vaccines were justly mandated but it leaves the question, isn't that politicians dictating a person's health? I'm not trying to debate this but it falls under the same idea. 

What I am trying to say is,like it or not we are under what politicians pass laws under.  We live under  what has been debated and passed in our political institutions. 

So maybe you can answer the question....

Do you believe a woman should be able to have an abortion anytime in pregnancy for whichever reason she, not politicians, deems necessary? 

 

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I believe a woman should be able to have an abortion if her decision, which she has discussed with her doctor, is a sensible decision FOR HER. As to what is 'sensible' is not for us to say. Her reason is nobody else's business.  No one can fairly judge her, ("judge not lest ye be judged") because they do not know her circumstances. There are many shades of gray between stark black and pure white. It is very much an individual decision; I am not saying Open House, No Restrictions. I'm saying let said woman and doctor agree within the privacy of the doctor's office on what is to be done or not done. 

( I am not being 'dramatic' by 'throwing up my hands', it is simply that I am animated when I converse, and it is not an uncommon reaction when one is frustrated, along with possibly rolling their eyes, or "tsk"-ing, or sighing.)

I do not want any pregnant girl or woman to have to come up with    $thousand$  for the friend-of-a-friend's nephew of a woman in NYC who knows a doctor who will do an abortion, to take her by bus, to his aunt's house, and the aunt take her to by cab to have the procedure done. I do not want any girl or woman to have to lay on a dining-room table in someone's apartment to have an abortion done without any anesthesia. 

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I forgot to add: My point being that it happened when abortions were illegal, and she was lucky she didn't end up sick from an infection or die. The reason it is important is that with the legality, with Roe vs Wade, she would not have had to take a chance like that. Other's have not been so fortunate.

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6 hours ago, Justlookingfornow said:

Why don't you answer the question? 

 

 

Are you asking if anyone supports the right to have an abortion despite fetal viability?

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1 hour ago, No Stars In My Eyes said:

I believe a woman should be able to have an abortion if her decision, which she has discussed with her doctor, is a sensible decision FOR HER. As to what is 'sensible' is not for us to say. Her reason is nobody else's business.  No one can fairly judge her, ("judge not lest ye be judged") because they do not know her circumstances. There are many shades of gray between stark black and pure white. It is very much an individual decision; I am not saying Open House, No Restrictions. I'm saying let said woman and doctor agree within the privacy of the doctor's office on what is to be done or not done. 

( I am not being 'dramatic' by 'throwing up my hands', it is simply that I am animated when I converse, and it is not an uncommon reaction when one is frustrated, along with possibly rolling their eyes, or "tsk"-ing, or sighing.)

I do not want any pregnant girl or woman to have to come up with    $thousand$  for the friend-of-a-friend's nephew of a woman in NYC who knows a doctor who will do an abortion, to take her by bus, to his aunt's house, and the aunt take her to by cab to have the procedure done. I do not want any girl or woman to have to lay on a dining-room table in someone's apartment to have an abortion done without any anesthesia. 

So her reason could be anything she decides? Then an abortion should be available with no restrictions at all at anytime. If that's what you believe then that's  fine. It's not a gotcha or a set up to insult you. However it does serve an in depth thought about what we actually believe and the consequences of not discussing and thinking it throughly. 

I think that abortion is wrong. I believe the fetus is a life. I respect life. I also take into consideration that without access to safe abortion, there will be women resorting to unsafe at home practices which will cause women to potentially lose their life. Her life is just as valuable there for I advocate for safe early abortion because of this. 

If I didn't think this through,I could have said no abortion ever. However I cannot ever be in agreement for abortion for convenience in later pregnancy. 

Some people who advocate  for women to make the choice whenever they want,for whatever reason will also have to accept that sometimes those reasons could be for convenience. I think that's what Beerman has referred to a few times.  If that's an acceptable risk for some in the name of self choice and keeping religion and politicians out of the woman's reproductive health,then so be it. 

 

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4 minutes ago, MunoRN said:

Are you asking if anyone supports the right to have an abortion despite fetal viability?

Yes.  For reasons other than congenital abnormality or risk to the mother's life. 

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I think the problem is we're talking about two different things.

The legally established definition of abortion involves a fetus that is not independently viable, the example was brought up earlier of someone getting an abortion at 36 weeks for convenience, that's not abortion, it's induced labor followed by infanticide, two different things.

Roe v Wade did not find in favor of a right to kill an otherwise viable infant.

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45 minutes ago, Justlookingfornow said:

So her reason could be anything she decides? Then an abortion should be available with no restrictions at all at anytime. If that's what you believe then that's  fine. It's not a gotcha or a set up to insult you. However it does serve an in depth thought about what we actually believe and the consequences of not discussing and thinking it throughly. 

I think that abortion is wrong. I believe the fetus is a life. I respect life. I also take into consideration that without access to safe abortion, there will be women resorting to unsafe at home practices which will cause women to potentially lose their life. Her life is just as valuable there for I advocate for safe early abortion because of this. 

If I didn't think this through,I could have said no abortion ever. However I cannot ever be in agreement for abortion for convenience in later pregnancy. 

Some people who advocate  for women to make the choice whenever they want,for whatever reason will also have to accept that sometimes those reasons could be for convenience. I think that's what Beerman has referred to a few times.  If that's an acceptable risk for some in the name of self choice and keeping religion and politicians out of the woman's reproductive health,then so be it. 

 

Very well said!

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