What do you think about with current News and Opinions?

Tweety, BSN, RN · May 18, 2022

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Beginning in mid-April, a series of salacious photos and videos started popping up online: one featuring him wearing lingerie, another showing a man touching Cawthorn's crotch over his pants, and another showing Cawthorn thrusting his naked body on top of another man.

Cawthorn, for his part, has dismissed the content as him just having fun and being silly. He attributed the leaks to the Republican “establishment” and “RINO” (Republican in name only) senators, who he said were trying to sabotage his re-election bid. And the sabotage seems to have worked.

Cawthorn is out, even with Trump's endorsement. Guess there are some limits.

https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reidout-blog/cawthorn-loses-north-carolina-primary-election-results-rcna29024?fbclid=IwAR1fNdV87pjtUWo3V5FtbeV4IQlwSeP8fgQ4_MRfMm9j26BtuQR8lrEpJtU

nursej22, MSN, RN · May 18, 2022

8 hours ago, Beerman said:

Mother loses job; dad lose job; it's going to be twins; dad leaves; new man in women's life doesn't want to raise child of other man; family pressures mom; etc..

Those are a few reasons off the top of my head.

Probably the same reasons one might decide at 16 weeks to get and abortion they could also decide later at 30 weeks.

I'm not sure why that is so hard to believe.

You have quite the imagination about why a woman would choose to end a 30 week pregnancy. She has endured morning sickness, back aches, anemia, hemorrhoids, has been feeling baby kick for weeks, receiving gifts and possibly a shower, planning for time off for work, and then poof, she calls up the clinic and they say sure, pop on in the afternoon and we'll get 'er done.

nursej22, MSN, RN · May 18, 2022

Democrats pick John Fetterman for Senate in Pennsylvania

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/17/john-fetterman-pennsylvania-primary/

This guy sort of intrigues me: unconventional, high energy. He seems to have the "everyman" vibe that might appeal to the working class person. And perhaps could beat the Republican candidate.

He had a stroke over the weekend but sought care immediately and had a pacer/icd implanted yesterday.

I know there is a regular member here who is from Pennsylvania, and wonder about her take on this dude.

subee, MSN, CRNA · May 18, 2022

15 hours ago, chare said:

Thank you for copying and pastingnthe lengthy article discussing what constitutional rights undocumented aliens are granted, although I was already aware that they had been granted several.

However, none of this answered my question.

Where exactly in the constitution is asylum "granted?"

I knew what you were looking for when you asked the question:) But, IMHO, your question is irrelevant because there are many issues of modern life that are not addressed specifically in our constitution that, nevertheless, look to Scotus for guidance. For example cases involving aviation law or cell phone confisication by law enforcement. Asylum is granted by Congress, but if you read the article by the constitutional lawyer that I gave you, you will see the reasoning by treating asylum seekers under the word "persons" in the constitution as opposed to the use of the word "citizens." Even Scalia and Thomas ruled that children in detention centers have the right to care including adequate nutrition. So, they are ruling on some aspect of asylum despite "asylum" not being mentioned in the constitution. So, if Congress wants to eliminate asylum, they have to change the law they made. If they did that, I don't know that it would survive a Scotus ruling using the logic that persons in the US have rights guaranteed by the constitution. If the question were really that simple, we wouldn't be at the impasse we find ourselves in. Nice try, though.

subee, MSN, CRNA · May 18, 2022

13 hours ago, Justlookingfornow said:

What other reason would there be for a late term proceedure if the life of the mother is not at risk and when there is isn't a not compatible with life congenital disorder?

What other reason could there be?

Why don't you tell us because I can't think of any reason. As I said, despite delivering anesthesia for many abortions, I have never come across a request for a late term abortion because I don't know any physician who would agree to the request; nor have I ever heard (personally) of any request for one. What proposed law are you speaking of that would allow a late-term abortion? I know there are a few nut cases out there talking about it but I've seen no political support for it.

Beerman, BSN · May 18, 2022

2 hours ago, nursej22 said:

You have quite the imagination about why a woman would choose to end a 30 week pregnancy. She has endured morning sickness, back aches, anemia, hemorrhoids, has been feeling baby kick for weeks, receiving gifts and possibly a shower, planning for time off for work, and then poof, she calls up the clinic and they say sure, pop on in the afternoon and we'll get 'er done.

Here is a study by an organization that opposes abortion restrictions at any gestational age. One subject group is women who were denied abortions after 22 weeks. So, apparently there are a significant number of those who do want abortions later in pregnancy.

toomuchbaloney · May 18, 2022

29 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Here is a study by an organization that opposes abortion restrictions at any gestational age. One subject group is women who were denied abortions after 22 weeks. So, apparently there are a significant number of those who do want abortions later in pregnancy.

You forgot the link.

Beerman, BSN · May 18, 2022

48 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Here is a study by an organization that opposes abortion restrictions at any gestational age. One subject group is women who were denied abortions after 22 weeks. So, apparently there are a significant number of those who do want abortions later in pregnancy.

The link to the study:

https://www.guttmacher.org/gpr/2020/01/gestational-age-bans-harmful-any-stage-pregnancy

toomuchbaloney · May 18, 2022

3 hours ago, Beerman said:

Here is a study by an organization that opposes abortion restrictions at any gestational age. One subject group is women who were denied abortions after 22 weeks. So, apparently there are a significant number of those who do want abortions later in pregnancy.

Can you quote that language from the article that quantifies that particular "subject group" that you mention? Please.

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Results: Women aged 20–24 were more likely than those aged 25–34 to have a later abortion (odds ratio, 2.7), and women who discovered their pregnancy before eight weeks’ gestation were less likely than others to do so (0.1). Later abortion recipients experienced logistical delays (e.g., difficulty finding a provider and raising funds for the procedure and travel costs), which compounded other delays in receiving care. Most women seeking later abortion fit at least one of five profiles: They were raising children alone, were depressed or using illicit substances, were in conflict with a male partner or experiencing domestic violence, had trouble deciding and then had access problems, or were young and nulliparous.

https://www.guttmacher.org/journals/psrh/2013/11/who-seeks-abortions-or-after-20-weeks

Women of child bearing age in this country need more support.

No Stars In My Eyes, LPN · May 18, 2022

Beerman, Do you really believe there are so many women out there running around searching for late term abortions? You harp on late term abortions like they are what everyone wants. No, most just want to be able to make their own decisions with their doctors in private, without a politician's input. I can't see doctors pulling viable fetuses out of pregnant women who decided on a last-minute whim to get aborted.

Transplant a uterus into a man who does not want to have children, and see how well that goes. You know, like the old bumper-sticker says: "If you don't believe in abortions, don't get one."

I know there is no sense in arguing or debating with you, but sometimes you seem so deeply into being purposely obtuse about abortion, I throw up my hands in total frustration. You don't WANT to understand all the variables that might lead to a decision on the advisability of abortion. To you, it seems if someone is personally for the choice of HAVING a choice to determine for themselves about an abortion, everyone is going to start committing late-term abortions and infanticide left and right. Don't bother telling me abortion is infanticide. THAT is not the argument I am making. I am 72 and not likely to get pregnant, but I don't think it is up to me to make someone else's decisions for them, regardless of what that decision might be.

Beerman, BSN · May 18, 2022

6 minutes ago, No Stars In My Eyes said:

Beerman, Do you really believe there are so many women out there running around searching for late term abortions? You harp on late term abortions like they are what everyone wants. No, most just want to be able to make their own decisions with their doctors in private, without a politician's input. I can't see doctors pulling viable fetuses out of pregnant women who decided on a last-minute whim to get aborted.

Transplant a uterus into a man who does not want to have children, and see how well that goes. You know, like the old bumper-sticker says: "If you don't believe in abortions, don't get one."

I know there is no sense in arguing or debating with you, but sometimes you seem so deeply into being purposely obtuse about abortion, I throw up my hands in total frustration. You don't WANT to understand all the variables that might lead to a decision on the advisability of abortion. To you, it seems if someone is personally for the choice of HAVING a choice to determine for themselves about an abortion, everyone is going to start committing late-term abortions and infanticide left and right. Don't bother telling me abortion is infanticide. THAT is not the argument I am making. I am 72 and not likely to get pregnant, but I don't think it is up to me to make someone else's decisions for them, regardless of what that decision might be.

Yes, I do believe there will be some. I don't know how many. What would be an acceptable number to you?

Let's not go to the extreme of a "last minute on a whim" example. How about if a woman and doctor decide in private that at 28 weeks she should get an abortion because her situation has changed and she decides she can't support a child, is that acceptable to you? What would be the latest for that situation that would be acceptable?

The study I linked to had a subject group of women that were interviewed who were denied abortions because they were past the gestational age that was allowed. At the time, that would be 20 weeks in Mississippi, and at least 22 weeks everywhere else. So, it's clear some do seek abortions later in pregnancy.

I don't have a uterus. But I'm entitled to my opinion as much as anyone else. For the record, I've already said I think abortions should be allowed up to a certain point, about 16 weeks, with some exceptions to get them later. And, that falls in line with most Americans in polls. So, throwing your hands up in frustration at me seems a bit dramatic.

You're the second person who has mentioned infanticide. I have not. Where are you getting that I think anyone wants that?

Justlookingfornow · May 18, 2022

44 minutes ago, No Stars In My Eyes said:

Beerman, Do you really believe there are so many women out there running around searching for late term abortions? You harp on late term abortions like they are what everyone wants. No, most just want to be able to make their own decisions with their doctors in private, without a politician's input. I can't see doctors pulling viable fetuses out of pregnant women who decided on a last-minute whim to get aborted.

Transplant a uterus into a man who does not want to have children, and see how well that goes. You know, like the old bumper-sticker says: "If you don't believe in abortions, don't get one."

I know there is no sense in arguing or debating with you, but sometimes you seem so deeply into being purposely obtuse about abortion, I throw up my hands in total frustration. You don't WANT to understand all the variables that might lead to a decision on the advisability of abortion. To you, it seems if someone is personally for the choice of HAVING a choice to determine for themselves about an abortion, everyone is going to start committing late-term abortions and infanticide left and right. Don't bother telling me abortion is infanticide. THAT is not the argument I am making. I am 72 and not likely to get pregnant, but I don't think it is up to me to make someone else's decisions for them, regardless of what that decision might be.

I do not believe Beerman thinks there would be many women running around to get late term abortions. Nor many Dr that would be willing to do the proceedure. In a time where children would be prescribed life altering, biologically changing high altert medications to prevent a natural biological process, seen as acceptable, then it isn't unreasonable to be concerned that in fact, there may be Dr's that would perform such a proceedure. Not to mention some Dr and parents receiving back lash for objecting to such "affirming treatment". (A digression but I added because it may be a explanation for the concern that convienience abortions could happen because personally I would never have thought what I described above would even be considered by the medical community.)

Late term abortions for convenience is something to consider. Especially with some vaguely worded proposed abortion laws that define accesability to abortion be determined by "risk to women's health,or life". "As determined by her and her Dr". (Paraphrased from Women's Protection Act).

So what is "risk to health"? Could that be anything the woman and Dr come up with? Very vague and very undefined. Purposely vague in my opinion.

So. If we want to talk about vagueness.... The only member who has given a explanation of their belief in detail is Tweety.

So. To clear up any vagueness, do you think a woman should be able to have an abortion in late pregnancy for anything other than risk to her life or congenital abnormality not compatible with life?

Do the members here think abortion for convenience should be legal and up to the woman? At any stage of pregnancy?