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toomuchbaloney · May 18, 2022

14 minutes ago, Justlookingfornow said:

I do not believe Beerman thinks there would be many women running around to get late term abortions. Nor many Dr that would be willing to do the proceedure. In a time where children would be prescribed life altering, biologically changing high altert medications to prevent a natural biological process, seen as acceptable, then it isn't unreasonable to be concerned that in fact, there may be Dr's that would perform such a proceedure. Not to mention some Dr and parents receiving back lash for objecting to such "affirming treatment". (A digression but I added because it may be a explanation for the concern that convienience abortions could happen because personally I would never have thought what I described above would even be considered by the medical community.)

Late term abortions for convenience is something to consider. Especially with some vaguely worded proposed abortion laws that define accesability to abortion be determined by "risk to women's health,or life". "As determined by her and her Dr". (Paraphrased from Women's Protection Act).

So what is "risk to health"? Could that be anything the woman and Dr come up with? Very vague and very undefined. Purposely vague in my opinion.

So. If we want to talk about vagueness.... The only member who has given a explanation of their belief in detail is Tweety.

So. To clear up any vagueness, do you think a woman should be able to have an abortion in late pregnancy for anything other than risk to her life or congenital abnormality not compatible with life?

Do the members here think abortion for convenience should be legal and up to the woman? At any stage of pregnancy?

Why is that even a question?

https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/fact-sheet/abortions-later-in-pregnancy/

Justlookingfornow · May 18, 2022

11 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Why is that even a question?

https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/fact-sheet/abortions-later-in-pregnancy/

Why don't you answer the question?

toomuchbaloney · May 18, 2022

23 minutes ago, Justlookingfornow said:

Why don't you answer the question?

Because I don't think it's relevant. Why do you believe it's a relevant question?

Home Health Columnist / Guide · May 18, 2022

8 hours ago, nursej22 said:

Democrats pick John Fetterman for Senate in Pennsylvania

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/17/john-fetterman-pennsylvania-primary/

This guy sort of intrigues me: unconventional, high energy. He seems to have the "everyman" vibe that might appeal to the working class person. And perhaps could beat the Republican candidate.

He had a stroke over the weekend but sought care immediately and had a pacer/icd implanted yesterday.

I know there is a regular member here who is from Pennsylvania, and wonder about her take on this dude.

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I've followed his career over the last 10 years, voted for him as Lt. Governor, yesterday for Senator fully aware he had a stroke + pacer/ICD inserted. earn He has a Masters in Public Policy from Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government. His actions bring results:

Involved with Big Brothers and AmeriCorps since age 23
Started a GED program in Braddock before running for mayor.
As Braddock Mayor: initiated youth and art programs; created a community center; a two-acre organic urban farm, worked by teenagers of the Braddock Youth Project; helped create a free store run by John’s wife, Gisele; has promoted Braddock redevelopment-- lives in a former restored car dealership in Braddock.
As Lieutenant Governor: went on a listening tour of all 67 counties to get citizen input about legalizing marijuana -- that's why he received such high Senator candidate votes; chair of Pennsylvania’s Board of Pardons overhauled the clemency process, second chance for non violent offenders. Gave up Lt. Governors mansion --wife opened it's pool during summers to children who typically wouldn’t have access to one

Policies/Positions

Encourages clean energy policies
Supports single-payer health care.
Supports mask wearing, vaccinations, PA's stay at home orders to combat Coronavirus start + spread.
Abortion stand: Pro-choice
Backs $15-an-hour minimum wage
Immigration: Wife's family came to Americas as illegal immigrant; now has green card. "Creating a pathway to citizenship for everyone that has been in this country that is leading productive lives. If you are leading an exemplary life, there needs to be a path for you. This process can be supported with the safety of background checks."
Lack of paid sick leave is unfair to working men and women
Focus on improving our public schools instead of vouchers
Supports restrictions on gun ownership to decrease gun violence ( gun owner himself); against teachers carrying guns in schools.
Government should prevent “mega mergers” of corporations that could potentially control a large percentage of market share within its industry
Supports government break up Amazon, facebook and Google
Government should subsidize small local farms instead of large corporations

Should easily win Senate seat against Republican candidate (Oz/ Mc Cormick) ----- expect to take till next week for all mail in ballets to be tallied as unable to start process in PA till election day.

Beerman, BSN · May 18, 2022

42 minutes ago, Justlookingfornow said:

Why don't you answer the question?

Have you noticed it's hard for the hardline "her body, her choice" crowd to answer the question? Be it elected Democrats, or members here.

Some seem quite uncomfortable with the realization that no restrictions will lead to late-term abortions. But, if they say a restriction is needed, well, that goes against "her body, her choice." Even worse for them, by agreeing to a restriction they are admitting that a fetus is a human life that needs protection.

Quite the pickle they are in. Especially now if Roe vs Wade goes away, state legislatures will be wrestling with these issues.

Justlookingfornow · May 18, 2022

16 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Have you noticed it's hard for the hardline "her body, her choice" crowd to answer the question? Be it elected Democrats, or members here.

Some seem quite uncomfortable with the realization that no restrictions will lead to late-term abortions. But, if they say a restriction is needed, well, that goes against "her body, her choice." Even worse for them, by agreeing to a restriction they are admitting that a fetus is a human life that needs protection.

Quite the pickle they are in. Especially now if Roe vs Wade goes away, state legislatures will be wrestling with these issues.

Yes! I do notice all these things. Where as it is very unfortunate. To be fair, conservatives have also created a tricky situation for themselves. If they agree to some abortions in later pregnacy, then they as well will leave themselves open to the criticism of " if life is life, then why would some abortions be permitted anytime? Although I feel the conservative legislators are more willing to compromise than the other.

So, as it goes on..... Both political parties worried about their ideology, dig their heels in are unable to come up with a solution. And women suffer.

Along with the fear mongering like, "democrats want abortion up to delivery", and that conservatives will let women die under restricted abortion laws". Totally untrue.

Justlookingfornow · May 18, 2022

1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Because I don't think it's relevant. Why do you believe it's a relevant question?

If you wish to comment and discuss, it. Is it unreasonable to ask you what your positions is on abortion later in pregnancy or otherwise?

You have to take into account in reference to the link you posted that request for abortions in later pregnancy is very low is in part because they are illegal, now. There is no data on how many there would be if it wasn't illegal. That hasn't happened.

Also if it's not worth considering at all for the reasons in the link you posted (low demand/women seeking) then why the opposition to restricted abortion law. You know because the numbers of women wanting abortion in later pregnancy is so low? So why would the restrictions matter?

toomuchbaloney · May 18, 2022

14 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Have you noticed it's hard for the hardline "her body, her choice" crowd to answer the question? Be it elected Democrats, or members here.

Some seem quite uncomfortable with the realization that no restrictions will lead to late-term abortions. But, if they say a restriction is needed, well, that goes against "her body, her choice." Even worse for them, by agreeing to a restriction they are admitting that a fetus is a human life that needs protection.

Quite the pickle they are in. Especially now if Roe vs Wade goes away, state legislatures will be wrestling with these issues.

The question is based in preassumption and opinion, IMV. It's irrelevant.

Yes, if the Roe precedent evaporates with this activist court the abortion decision will largely become political at every level.

toomuchbaloney · May 18, 2022

34 minutes ago, Justlookingfornow said:

If you wish to comment and discuss, it. Is it unreasonable to ask you what your positions is on abortion later in pregnancy or otherwise?

You have to take into account in reference to the link you posted that request for abortions in later pregnancy is very low is in part because they are illegal, now. There is no data on how many there would be if it wasn't illegal. That hasn't happened.

Also if it's not worth considering at all for the reasons in the link you posted (low demand/women seeking) then why the opposition to restricted abortion law. You know because the numbers of women wanting abortion in later pregnancy is so low? So why would the restrictions matter?

I think that the "opposition" is largely related to women wanting politics and religious beliefs of others out of their personal reproductive health decisions.

Justlookingfornow · May 18, 2022

7 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

I think that the "opposition" is largely related to women wanting politics and religious beliefs of others out of their personal reproductive health decisions.

So just for symbolism? You think opposition to restricted abortion is because women don't want religion and politics involved in their reproductive health? So even though they don't want or have the desire for abortions at anytime, they are going to fight for unrestricted abortion to prove a point? Just so politicians and religion people know?

I do not understand.

toomuchbaloney · May 19, 2022

1 minute ago, Justlookingfornow said:

So just for symbolism? You think opposition to restricted abortion is because women don't want religion and politics involved in their reproductive health? So even though they don't want or the desire for abortions at anytime, they are going to fight for restricted abortion to prove a point? Just so politicians and religion people know?

I do not understand.

Okay, why do you think that you don't understand why women desire bodily autonomy that is not subject to the political whims and religious beliefs of other people?

nursej22, MSN, RN · May 19, 2022

2 hours ago, Justlookingfornow said:

So. To clear up any vagueness, do you think a woman should be able to have an abortion in late pregnancy for anything other than risk to her life or congenital abnormality not compatible with life?

Do the members here think abortion for convenience should be legal and up to the woman? At any stage of pregnancy?

I think the decision to have an abortion should be between a pregnant person and their doctor, and in accordance with their faith, if applicable.

Elective abortions cannot be done after viability, because then it is a delivery, not an abortion. If a viable fetus is delivered, then reasonable attempts should be made for resuscitation.

I have serious doubts that any reputable ob/gyn is going to perform an abortion for convenience after viability. Even second semester abortions are rare and are referred to specialists.