What do you think about with current News and Opinions?

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Something to understand what nurses think about re the Current News and their opinions!

[MunoRN, RN]

Not a huge Pasaki fan, but I give her credit for this exchange with Doocy.  Jen Psaki and Peter Doocy Battle Over Gas Prices (mediaite.com)

I do have to give credit to TC Energy for turning a boondoggle into a Conservative rallying cry, despite it being nonsensical.

There's no reason to believe it would lower gas prices, and actually a couple of analysis claim KXL would actually increase gas prices, but I would argue they overestimate local supply factors in the price of gas at the pump.  And it certainly would be currently having any effect as the current pipelines are not yet near capacity, and given the limited market for bitumen (extremely low quality tar that is a waste product of refining regular crude) it may be at least a few years before they do.  

It wouldn't increase supply in the US, it's whole purpose is to do the opposite, to move tar sand bitumen directly to gulf for export.  

And there's still been no explanation of what the "regulatory" barriers are to increasing oil extraction, and kudos to Pasaki for specifically asking for examples (none were provided).

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[Tweety, BSN, RN]

8 minutes ago, MunoRN said:

Not a huge Pasaki fan, but I give her credit for this exchange with Doocy.  Jen Psaki and Peter Doocy Battle Over Gas Prices (mediaite.com)

I do have to give credit to TC Energy for turning a boondoggle into a Conservative rallying cry, despite it being nonsensical.

There's no reason to believe it would lower gas prices, and actually a couple of analysis claim KXL would actually increase gas prices, but I would argue they overestimate local supply factors in the price of gas at the pump.  And it certainly would be currently having any effect as the current pipelines are not yet near capacity, and given the limited market for bitumen (extremely low quality tar that is a waste product of refining regular crude) it may be at least a few years before they do.  

It wouldn't increase supply in the US, it's whole purpose is to do the opposite, to move tar sand bitumen directly to gulf for export.  

And there's still been no explanation of what the "regulatory" barriers are to increasing oil extraction, and kudos to Pasaki for specifically asking for examples (none were provided).

That Biden held up Keystone will be a weapon against him.  No one is going to get the message she gave about them being answerable to stockholders making profits.  

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During the segment, Hagerty alleged the Biden administration's pursuit for foreign oil puts "international killers" on the oil market over "American drillers."

https://www.foxbusiness.com/energy/biden-admin-favors-international-killers-over-american-drillers-sen-bill-hagerty-says

[Beerman, BSN]

1 hour ago, Tweety said:

That Biden held up Keystone will be a weapon against him.  No one is going to get the message she gave about them being answerable to stockholders making profits.  

https://www.foxbusiness.com/energy/biden-admin-favors-international-killers-over-american-drillers-sen-bill-hagerty-says

People should be getting the message.  Psaki said that they shouldn't have to invite the oil companies to drill.  They actually should inviting, pressuring, demanding that they drill.  The administration is trying to put blame on the oil companies, but seems like they don't really want much to happen.  Lack of leadership? Or don't want to upset the Green wing by encouraging drilling too strongly?  Maybe just incompetence?

The last president would be screaming and tweeting all day and everyday for the oil companies to drill.

 

[MunoRN, RN]

15 minutes ago, Beerman said:

People should be getting the message.  Psaki said that they shouldn't have to invite the oil companies to drill.  They actually should inviting, pressuring, demanding that they drill.  The administration is trying to put blame on the oil companies, but seems like they don't really want much to happen.  Lack of leadership? Or don't want to upset the Green wing by encouraging drilling too strongly?  Maybe just incompetence?

The last president would be screaming and tweeting all day and everyday for the oil companies to drill.

 

So the US government should be dictating to private companies the rate at which we extract and refine oil?

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

7 hours ago, MunoRN said:

So the US government should be dictating to private companies the rate at which we extract and refine oil?

This.  Pasaki made this point.

Beerman is right.  Keystone wouldn't have been an issue, but Trump given his past history would be Tweeting more...oh wait he's banned from Twitter, but nonetheless he'd make something up to say, unless they donated a large amount.  But that's a moot point.

The point was made why should they drill if it doesn't profit them.  As Paski pointed out with the current demand and shortages they are making huge profits.  Why hurry to spend it?

But we don't know what's going behind the scenes.  

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The Biden administration has approved 3,091 new drilling permits on public lands at a rate of 332 per month, a faster pace than the Trump administration’s 300 permits per month. The administration recently opened more than 80 million acres in the Gulf of Mexico to auction for oil and gas drilling, a record offshore sale that will lock in years of greenhouse gas emissions.

This pits him against environmentalists and his campaign promises.  This article was written in November prior to the current crisis.  Patski I believe said it's now 9,000?  Maybe that number includes existing permits the Trump issues that are not drilled.

I don't know if the proposed changes in the article went through, but perhaps as an incentive he could remove them.  But in a time of huge profits to them we shouldn't be spending tax dollars to entice them with incentives.  At the same time being capitalist I'm not sure we can demand either.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/26/biden-recommends-reforms-to-oil-and-gas-drilling-stops-short-of-ban.html

I do think that the Biden Administration should be getting out the message better that oil companies have leases to drill.  Right now the narrative is written by republicans and conservative media promoting rhetoric.  Like the Fox News headline that instead of drilling Biden is begging Venezuela for oil.  And Hagerty's statement that Biden favors killers not drillers.  It's hard to get that message out though when the most watched "news" organization has another agenda.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/feb/28/jake-laturner/keystone-wouldnt-simply-offset-oil-us-imports-russ/

 

How the right embraced Russian disinformation about ‘U.S. bioweapons labs’ in Ukraine

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/11/how-right-embraced-russian-disinformation-about-us-bioweapons-labs-ukraine/

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Russian disinformation often begins with a speck of fact, which is then twisted into a full-blown conspiracy theory. The technique makes it easier to spread and take root among the country’s supporters. Note how quickly the party line uttered by the Russian Foreign Ministry was embraced by Carlson.

American disinformation also begins with a speck of truth which is then spun into a full blown conservative belief. Should we be concerned that a major media outlet openly engages in and promotes propaganda?

Former Trump adviser Michael Flynn pleaded the Fifth during meeting with Jan. 6 committee

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/10/former-trump-adviser-michael-flynn-pleaded-fifth-during-meeting-with-jan-6-committee/

Hhhmmm

So many people apparently can't talk to the Select Committee without incriminating themselves in potential crimes.  What a situation. 

Florida legislature passes bill that limits how schools and workplaces teach about race and identity

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/03/10/florida-legislature-passes-anti-woke-bill/

This is interesting. 

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In Tallahassee, after two days of emotional debate on a proposal that remains clouded by considerable confusion, the Senate passed the framework for the “Stop WOKE Act” 24 to 15 in a party-line vote. DeSantis initially proposed the bill in December, arguing he wanted Florida to become a bulwark against corporate trainings and school lessons that make people uncomfortable about the actions of their ancestors.

Holy hell, that's some fragile people that can't handle learning honest history. 

[Beerman, BSN]

5 hours ago, Tweety said:

This.  Pasaki made this point.

Beerman is right.  Keystone wouldn't have been an issue, but Trump given his past history would be Tweeting more...oh wait he's banned from Twitter, but nonetheless he'd make something up to say, unless they donated a large amount.  But that's a moot point.

The point was made why should they drill if it doesn't profit them.  As Paski pointed out with the current demand and shortages they are making huge profits.  Why hurry to spend it?

But we don't know what's going behind the scenes.  

This pits him against environmentalists and his campaign promises.  This article was written in November prior to the current crisis.  Patski I believe said it's now 9,000?  Maybe that number includes existing permits the Trump issues that are not drilled.

I don't know if the proposed changes in the article went through, but perhaps as an incentive he could remove them.  But in a time of huge profits to them we shouldn't be spending tax dollars to entice them with incentives.  At the same time being capitalist I'm not sure we can demand either.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/26/biden-recommends-reforms-to-oil-and-gas-drilling-stops-short-of-ban.html

I do think that the Biden Administration should be getting out the message better that oil companies have leases to drill.  Right now the narrative is written by republicans and conservative media promoting rhetoric.  Like the Fox News headline that instead of drilling Biden is begging Venezuela for oil.  And Hagerty's statement that Biden favors killers not drillers.  It's hard to get that message out though when the most watched "news" organization has another agenda.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/feb/28/jake-laturner/keystone-wouldnt-simply-offset-oil-us-imports-russ/

 

The federal govt shouldn't officially ordering or legislating what private companies should produce.  Just like they shouldn't cancel something they previously approved and then private company spent billions on.

They can strongly encourage.  Hannity is a bit over the top for me.  But, to his point,  Biden administration has tried to have talks with Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, and others.  I haven't heard much about a dialog with US companies.

I don't see that the rhetoric is one sided. The oil industry AND the administration both have motives to present things that make them look better.  There has been debate here if Biden is anti-oil.  Even if he isn't, it's hard to argue that he does have to answer to some who are.

Like you said, we don't know what goes on behind the scenes.

I think you all give too much thought to the influence of Fox News.  The "most watched" news outlet is only 2 to 3 million a day.  I'm a zero to 3 hours a week.

It's notable that Fox has lost viewers to the more inflammatory and less accurate outlets of OANN and Newsmax in the era of Trump. Isn't it interesting that Trump encouraged his voters and devotees to abandon Fox for OAN in the Summer of 2020 and now Trump supporters dismiss the influence of the "conservative" outlet

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/fox-news-ratings-trump-newsmax-b1798081.html

https://www.pewresearch.org/journalism/2021/03/23/large-majorities-of-newsmax-and-oan-news-consumers-also-go-to-fox-news/

 

[MunoRN, RN]

1 hour ago, Beerman said:

The federal govt shouldn't officially ordering or legislating what private companies should produce.  Just like they shouldn't cancel something they previously approved and then private company spent billions on.

They can strongly encourage.  Hannity is a bit over the top for me.  But, to his point,  Biden administration has tried to have talks with Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, and others.  I haven't heard much about a dialog with US companies.

I don't see that the rhetoric is one sided. The oil industry AND the administration both have motives to present things that make them look better.  There has been debate here if Biden is anti-oil.  Even if he isn't, it's hard to argue that he does have to answer to some who are.

Like you said, we don't know what goes on behind the scenes.

I think you all give too much thought to the influence of Fox News.  The "most watched" news outlet is only 2 to 3 million a day.  I'm a zero to 3 hours a week.

Keystone XL hadn't really ever received full approval which would include clearing the courts.  The Trump administration granted a permit, but there were immediate court challenges at the time which it didn't clear and the permit was blocked.

7 hours ago, Tweety said:

This.  Pasaki made this point.

Beerman is right.  Keystone wouldn't have been an issue, but Trump given his past history would be Tweeting more...oh wait he's banned from Twitter, but nonetheless he'd make something up to say, unless they donated a large amount.  But that's a moot point.

The point was made why should they drill if it doesn't profit them.  As Paski pointed out with the current demand and shortages they are making huge profits.  Why hurry to spend it?

But we don't know what's going behind the scenes.  

This pits him against environmentalists and his campaign promises.  This article was written in November prior to the current crisis.  Patski I believe said it's now 9,000?  Maybe that number includes existing permits the Trump issues that are not drilled.

I don't know if the proposed changes in the article went through, but perhaps as an incentive he could remove them.  But in a time of huge profits to them we shouldn't be spending tax dollars to entice them with incentives.  At the same time being capitalist I'm not sure we can demand either.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/26/biden-recommends-reforms-to-oil-and-gas-drilling-stops-short-of-ban.html

I do think that the Biden Administration should be getting out the message better that oil companies have leases to drill.  Right now the narrative is written by republicans and conservative media promoting rhetoric.  Like the Fox News headline that instead of drilling Biden is begging Venezuela for oil.  And Hagerty's statement that Biden favors killers not drillers.  It's hard to get that message out though when the most watched "news" organization has another agenda.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/feb/28/jake-laturner/keystone-wouldnt-simply-offset-oil-us-imports-russ/

 

As far as I can tell they've been pretty clear that they would be happy for US oil producers to produce more oil, they've been fairly clear about that.

US urges domestic oil producers to raise output | Argus Media