What do you think about with current News and Opinions?

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Something to understand what nurses think about re the Current News and their opinions!

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

3 hours ago, nursej22 said:

Sure, if they can get affordable, reliable childcare. 

Somehow there was enough pandemic spending for large corporations and megachurches, but we can't feed and house children. 

But really hasn't lack of affordable childcare and corporate welfare always been an issue?

My point was the unemployment rate today is similar to pre-pandemic levels.

 I also know we have to factor in inflation now eating up more and more people's resources and those in poverty being hit the worse.  Childcare isn't cheap.  Times are hard.

 

[nursej22, MSN, RN]

Yes, lack of affordable childcare has long been an issue. But COVID has made it worse. Many childcare providers have closed (at least in my area), and those that are open, can close without notice due to an outbreak. Same with schools. It's pretty hard to keep a job, especially one with low skills, when you have to call out due to lack of childcare.  Some employers can afford to accommodate.

The tax credits helped to keep food on the table and pay the rent when parents are forced to stay home. Unfortunately, many members of Congress, who are in their 70s and doubtfully ever had to worry how to buy groceries, don't give this a second thought. 

 

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

3 hours ago, Tweety said:

You misunderstood me and went off on some tangents I wasn't addressing.  

What I said:   I also think we're seeing the gush of pandemic spending which can't be sustained leave the economy. 

What you interpreted:  How does spending money make it leave the economy?

So let me explain what I mean.  The government stimulated the economy, many people got checks (I got one but not the 2nd one), many of the unemployed got money on top of unemployment,  and they were able to spend some of that money to keep afloat.  

Now that kind of stimulus has stopped, people aren't getting checks and extra unemployment isn't around for people losing jobs.  That money has left the economy.  So my thinking is without that money in people's hands perhaps the poverty rate for children would rise.  Makes sense to me.

I am quite aware that for the most part government spending stimulates the economy.  

 

 

Are people losing jobs now?  From what I read, it's quite the opposite.  We are begging for employers here like most other cities.  

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

Just now, subee said:

Are people losing jobs now?  From what I read, it's quite the opposite.  We are begging for employers here like most other cities.  

People will probably be debating if the stimulus worked for decades.  I know the Republicans hate Roosevelt's government "interference. but we are still benefitting from his buildings. dams, etc.  As for 41% being a dramatic take on child poverty increases what number would be undramatic?

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

8 hours ago, subee said:

Are people losing jobs now?  From what I read, it's quite the opposite.  We are begging for employers here like most other cities.  

That was one of my points, people shouldn't be getting extra money just because they have an offspring when there are jobs available.

But when they are laid off they are not getting pandemic money so that money is taken out of the equation as well.   There was a local company in Lakeland that laid off 2800 workers and they deserve unemployment for sure while they get another job.  In any economy there are winners and losers. 

https://intellizence.com/insights/layoff-downsizing/major-companies-that-announced-mass-layoffs/

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

8 hours ago, subee said:

People will probably be debating if the stimulus worked for decades.  I know the Republicans hate Roosevelt's government "interference. but we are still benefitting from his buildings. dams, etc.  As for 41% being a dramatic take on child poverty increases what number would be undramatic?

You can one have four people with an apple and then two people with an apple and say "wow that's at 50% increase!".  That's what I meant.

It increased to 3.7 million. It rose from 12.1% of children to 17% but it's more dramatic to say it's a 41% increase.    There is no arguing it helped buffer parents from the pandemic effect and descent to poverty,  which I think is what it was intended but as you stated above that effect, at least on jobs, is over. 

But any increase isn't a good thing.  It's an increase in pre-pandemic rates I believe.

2 hours ago, Tweety said:

You can one have four people with an apple and then two people with an apple and say "wow that's at 50% increase!".  That's what I meant.

It increased to 3.7 million. It rose from 12.1% of children to 17% but it's more dramatic to say it's a 41% increase.    There is no arguing it helped buffer parents from the pandemic effect and descent to poverty,  which I think is what it was intended but as you stated above that effect, at least on jobs, is over. 

But any increase isn't a good thing.  It's an increase in pre-pandemic rates I believe.

Maybe it's important to try to put the change in terms which will jolt the American voter out of their complacency about the unsustainable wealth and income inequity that exists in our economy.  Maybe it's important to shake voters out of their tolerance for economic policy designed to take from the poor and give to the rich, which is essentially what "trickle down" economics accomplishes. 

 

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[subee, MSN, CRNA]

4 hours ago, Tweety said:

You can one have four people with an apple and then two people with an apple and say "wow that's at 50% increase!".  That's what I meant.

It increased to 3.7 million. It rose from 12.1% of children to 17% but it's more dramatic to say it's a 41% increase.    There is no arguing it helped buffer parents from the pandemic effect and descent to poverty,  which I think is what it was intended but as you stated above that effect, at least on jobs, is over. 

But any increase isn't a good thing.  It's an increase in pre-pandemic rates I believe.

I understand now.  You are correct, IMHO, that the data was "stretched" to produce an emotional outcome and I fell for it.  I always had a problem with the child tax credits because it included high income people instead of giving more to the lower income people.  As someone with no children by choice, I do understand people's reluctance to support other people's children.  My emotional impulses push me to that, but my rational mind tells me that kids that live in dire poverty are traumatized by it and that can interfere with their adulthoods.  When I was still riding the subways in NYC, I always wished they could have messages about what qualities future parents should have BEFORE they casually bring another kid into the world.  I ask for very little but even that, is too much for many people I see in the family court system.  

National Archives confirms classified material was in boxes at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/02/18/archives-classified-mar-a-lago/

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In a statement, Trump said, “The National Archives did not ‘find’ anything, they were given, upon request, Presidential Records in an ordinary and routine process to ensure the preservation of my legacy and in accordance with the Presidential Records Act.” He added that journalists were “making it seem like me, as the President of the United States, was working in a filing room,” when he was doing other things.

That's an interesting narrative forwarded by the former president. What other things was Trump doing rather than insuring that his team was following the laws and regulations relative to document maintenance and preservation? Why didn't Trump's team turn over these documents last March, April or May? Maybe they were too busy or maybe they were too sloppy or maybe their boss didn't think anyone would notice. 

Do you all remember back in 2017 when the National Archives reminded the Trump administration that documents and records must be properly handled and preserved? 

The laws governing this archival seems to be pretty straightforward and understandable. 

https://www.archives.gov/about/laws/presidential-records.html

Isn't it interesting to consider this current incident and compare/contrast it to the concern about Clinton's email server in 2016? It's especially interesting given that we know that the Trump White House made it a habit to utilize private servers, Ivanka was the point person on that hypocritical front. For four years we watched as Trump waved top secret documents in front of cameras and slipped classified foreign intelligence into his conversations with Russians and who knows who else.  

[Beerman, BSN]

On 2/18/2022 at 2:21 PM, nursej22 said:

Sure, if they can get affordable, reliable childcare. 

Somehow there was enough pandemic spending for large corporations and megachurches, but we can't feed and house children. 

$39 billion in grants to child care facilities seems like a lot.  How much pandemic spending should have gone to that?

[nursej22, MSN, RN]

According to ChildCareAware, a nonprofit organization, as many as 17 million children are in childcare. If my calculations are correct, $30 billion comes to about $2300 per child. According to the same organization, annual costs for childcare are between $8000 and $14000 a year. A single parent, making minimum wage of $7.25, brings home about $15,000. They are going to need more than $2300. 

How much pandemic spending should go to megachurches? Tesla? Private jet owners? 

 

[Beerman, BSN]

2 hours ago, nursej22 said:

According to ChildCareAware, a nonprofit organization, as many as 17 million children are in childcare. If my calculations are correct, $30 billion comes to about $2300 per child. According to the same organization, annual costs for childcare are between $8000 and $14000 a year. A single parent, making minimum wage of $7.25, brings home about $15,000. They are going to need more than $2300. 

How much pandemic spending should go to megachurches? Tesla? Private jet owners? 

 

First,  I don't know how much did go to megachurches, Tesla, and private jet owners.  Do you?  Educate me.

And, how many single parents are making minimum wage?

How much should each tax payer be obligated to spend on each single parents childcare?