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36 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

I get that middle-class workers without dependents don't want to pay for other peoples' children. But then, I hope they then don't complain when there are worker shortages because minimum age workers can't afford to pay 1/3 to 1/2 of their take home pay for childcare. 

Most middle-class workers waited unill they were no longer minimum wage workers before having children. You may not get much sympathy from them.

Also,, minimum wage workers are very rare in a market where workers are in need.

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18 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Most middle-class workers waited unill they were no longer minimum wage workers before having children. You may not get much sympathy from them.

Also,, minimum wage workers are very rare in a market where workers are in need.

Do you have data to back up these assertions? 

So do you think that entry level, service type workers should not have children? I believe our population is already contracting. Will we end up like Japan and China, with an aging population and no tax payers to support them? 

 

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3 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

Will we end up like Japan and China, with an aging population and no tax payers to support them? 

I don't have any data but remember reading that the United States might be spared this fate due to immigrants which tend to be a younger working population.

 

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11 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

Do you have data to back up these assertions? 

So do you think that entry level, service type workers should not have children? I believe our population is already contracting. Will we end up like Japan and China, with an aging population and no tax payers to support them? 

 

Here's some data but really your second paragraph seems to be spinning what he meant, but I'll let him speak for himself.  Of course we've already pointed out that rising wages is eroded through inflation.  

https://apnews.com/article/business-wages-salaries-increase-8ce98ea3bcc14c4810eb5a1111e1df49

Also I might mention that higher wages doesn't seem to result in job loss.

https://www.americanprogress.org/article/higher-minimum-wages-support-job-growth-economy-recovers-covid-19/

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4 minutes ago, Tweety said:

Here's some data but really your second paragraph seems to be spinning what he meant.

https://apnews.com/article/business-wages-salaries-increase-8ce98ea3bcc14c4810eb5a1111e1df49

Federal minimum wage is $7.25/hr. 8.1% of that is a whopping 59 cents an hour. Wow, those folks are really raking in the dough! 

 

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32 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

 Do you have data to back up these assertions? 

No, I don't.   Do disagree with that assertion?

Let me rephrase....minimum wage earners shouldn't have children they can't support.

35 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

 So do you think that entry level, service type workers should not have children? 

I think you shouldn't have a child unless you can support one.

37 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

 I believe our population is already contracting.

You believe it?  Well, why not research it?

38 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

 Will we end up like Japan and China, with an aging population and no tax payers to support them? 

I don't know if that is true.  But I feel that a aging population supporting everyone's babies is also if not a bigger problem.

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34 minutes ago, Tweety said:

Also I might mention that higher wages doesn't seem to result in job loss.

Of course not, when it's the demand for workers that create the higher wages.

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38 minutes ago, Beerman said:

No, I don't.   Do disagree with that assertion?

Let me rephrase....minimum wage earners shouldn't have children they can't support.

I think you shouldn't have a child unless you can support one.

You believe it?  Well, why not research it?

I don't know if that is true.  But I feel that a aging population supporting everyone's babies is also if not a bigger problem.

Oh, I see how this game is played. You make assertions and don't need to back them up ( "Most middle-class workers waited unill they were no longer minimum wage workers before having children.), but I do. Duly noted. 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-population-growth-slows-birth-rate-decline-economic-risk-11627231536

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/america-growth-slowing/2021/05/09/3a4b81ba-b032-11eb-ab4c-986555a1c511_story.html

https://www.axios.com/us-population-decline-census-5699eb22-5e40-47eb-ad53-50eb899ab215.html

I don't think anyone has said that the population needs to support everyone's babies. I think the idea is that we become a stronger nation when parents can go to work and know that their children are safe. 

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50 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

Oh, I see how this game is played. You make assertions and don't need to back them up ( "Most middle-class workers waited unill they were no longer minimum wage workers before having children.), but I do. Duly noted. 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-population-growth-slows-birth-rate-decline-economic-risk-11627231536

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/america-growth-slowing/2021/05/09/3a4b81ba-b032-11eb-ab4c-986555a1c511_story.html

https://www.axios.com/us-population-decline-census-5699eb22-5e40-47eb-ad53-50eb899ab215.html

I don't think anyone has said that the population needs to support everyone's babies. I think the idea is that we become a stronger nation when parents can go to work and know that their children are safe. 

Well, you're not very good at whatever game you think is being played. 

Actually, you didn't back it up.  You said, "I believe our population is already contracting."

Your three articles state that GROWTH is slowing. 

Yes, I asserted that most people wait until they are making more than minimum wage before having babies.  That's based on my experience of 52 years living in this country.  You didn't answer my question...do you disagree with this assertion?

Really, it's irrelevant.   People making minimum wage shouldn't be having babies or counting on others to support them. 

 

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2 hours ago, nursej22 said:

Federal minimum wage is $7.25/hr. 8.1% of that is a whopping 59 cents an hour. Wow, those folks are really raking in the dough! 

 

What % of workers make minimum wage?

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Perhaps I live in a depressed part of the country, but I disagree that most people wait until they are making middle class wages before having children. I have known many aides, retail workers, agricultural workers, and housekeepers who have started their families. They are loving caring parents, who are hard workers. They are not expecting handouts, they don't live on welfare. They scrimp and save to provide for their families. And we can't exactly expect those who currently have little ones practice some sort of reverse birth control. 

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https://www.statista.com/statistics/241530/birth-rate-by-family-income-in-the-us/

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In 2017, the birth rate in the United States was highest in families that had under 10,000 U.S. dollars in income per year, at 66.44 births per 1,000 women. As the income scale increases, the birth rate decreases, with families making 200,000 U.S. dollars or more per year having the lowest birth rate, at 43.92 births per 1,000 women.

Roughly 1.9% of the population are minimum wage earners. 

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