What do you think about with current News and Opinions?

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Something to understand what nurses think about re the Current News and their opinions!

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

17 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/241530/birth-rate-by-family-income-in-the-us/

Roughly 1.9% of the population are minimum wage earners. 

It would be interesting to find out why those that can least afford children have the highest birthrate, but they also get the most public benefits that go up with each child.

Also to go back to the assertion that most people rise above minimum wage before having children.  There's this that says 47% of of the minimum wage workers are between the ages of 16 and 24.  

https://www.statista.com/statistics/298866/percentage-of-low-wage-workers-in-the-us-by-age/

Studies are showing this generation is also delaying having children.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ashleystahl/2020/05/01/new-study-millennial-women-are-delaying-having-children-due-to-their-careers/?sh=7db792b4276a

But I do suppose it depends on what part of the country you live in.  To go back to some of the professions nursej22 mentions farm workers here make above minimum wage, retail workers, aides, and housekeepers.   I'm not saying they make great salaries. For example farm workers make 9.32 to 22 and hour with the median being $12.  $12 an hour isn't much really.  Fortunately voters approved our minimum wage going up and a lot of places have risen salaries already.  But it can barely keep up with the high cost of housing and everything.  Meh.....

You also have to note the minimum wage in Florida is still $8.65 and hour and in Washington state where nursej22 it's $13.69.  So most jobs here do not pay minimum wage.   But when it rises here to $15 there will be many people making minimum wage.

https://www.careerexplorer.com/careers/agricultural-worker/salary/florida/

[toomuchbaloney]

27 minutes ago, Tweety said:

It would be interesting to find out why those that can least afford children have the highest birthrate, but they also get the most public benefits that go up with each child.

Also to go back to the assertion that most people rise above minimum wage before having children.  There's this that says 47% of of the minimum wage workers are between the ages of 16 and 24.  

https://www.statista.com/statistics/298866/percentage-of-low-wage-workers-in-the-us-by-age/

Studies are showing this generation is also delaying having children.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ashleystahl/2020/05/01/new-study-millennial-women-are-delaying-having-children-due-to-their-careers/?sh=7db792b4276a

But I do suppose it depends on what part of the country you live in.  To go back to some of the professions nursej22 mentions farm workers here make above minimum wage, retail workers, aides, and housekeepers.   I'm not saying they make great salaries. For example farm workers make 9.32 to 22 and hour with the median being $12.  $12 an hour isn't much really.  Fortunately voters approved our minimum wage going up and a lot of places have risen salaries already.  But it can barely keep up with the high cost of housing and everything.  Meh.....

You also have to note the minimum wage in Florida is still $8.65 and hour and in Washington state where nursej22 it's $13.69.  So most jobs here do not pay minimum wage.   But when it rises here to $15 there will be many people making minimum wage.

https://www.careerexplorer.com/careers/agricultural-worker/salary/florida/

https://www.kff.org/report-section/beyond-the-numbers-access-to-reproductive-health-care-for-low-income-women-in-five-communities-executive-summary/

https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/issue-brief/financing-family-planning-services-for-low-income-women-the-role-of-public-programs/

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In the first three years of the Trump Administration, the President and many Congressional Republicans pursued multiple avenues to restrict public funds from going to Planned Parenthood and other clinics that provide both contraception and abortion services. In 2017, the Administration reversed an Obama era regulation that would have prevented states from blocking Title X funds from going to Planned Parenthood and other clinics that provide abortion using other funds. In 2017, every version of Republican legislation to replace the ACA included provisions that would have banned federal Medicaid payments to Planned Parenthood clinics. While none of these bills were enacted, this would have upended Medicaid’s “free choice of provider” requirement and would have resulted in a significant revenue loss for Planned Parenthood.

 

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

3 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

https://www.kff.org/report-section/beyond-the-numbers-access-to-reproductive-health-care-for-low-income-women-in-five-communities-executive-summary/

https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/issue-brief/financing-family-planning-services-for-low-income-women-the-role-of-public-programs/

 

That's interesting.  But was it only in those years that show birth rates higher  for lower incomes?  Is it lack of contraception for the higher birth rate?  

[toomuchbaloney]

1 hour ago, Tweety said:

That's interesting.  But was it only in those years that show birth rates higher  for lower incomes?  Is it lack of contraception for the higher birth rate?  

I don't understand it to be a phenomenon limited to a few years but rather a long term problem.  It's complicated, but poor communities have fewer health resources and poor women suffer that disproportionately.  

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

6 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

I don't understand it to be a phenomenon limited to a few years but rather a long term problem.  It's complicated, but poor communities have fewer health resources and poor women suffer that disproportionately.  

True and while things have improved,  inequality results in higher infant mortality rates.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.aba5908

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

I have a friend that can gift me WaPo articles when my free views are used up, and I know some of you won't be able to read this.  But I'll quote some of the highlights.  Basically the article accuses states like Florida positioning themselves on the anti-immigrant bandwagon to look good to voters for a possible presidential run.

What's interesting is that evangelicals support DeSantis and his party, but it's the faith community that helps these children and provide the pushback causing other states to back down a bit on similar policies.

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Republicans see immigration and the surge of asylum seekers at the border as potent issues for attacking President Biden — and for building their own political careers. It doesn’t matter that Biden has kept in place Donald Trump’s most restrictionist and inhumane (and probably also illegal) border policies. According to Republicans and right-wing media, Biden is still somehow promoting “open borders.”

This baloney has long been red meat for the conservative base. Now, every GOP politician — even those nowhere near the border — wants a nibble.

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For months, the DeSantis administration has been jerking around shelters and foster families that care for unaccompanied migrant kids, including by refusing to renew these providers’ licenses. One shelter, run by Lutheran Services of Florida, had to close entirely in November because the state wouldn’t respond to its renewal application. The shelter scrambled to relocate the nearly 60 traumatized children in its care.

The shelter sued over the state’s unexplained stonewalling. On Thursday, on the eve of a court hearing, the new license magically materialized. DeSantis then released a confusing new “emergency rule” the following morning, which said existing shelters could continue operating and renewing their licenses for the next 45 days only. After that period, the state will license or re-license care providers only if the Biden administration agrees to onerous and possibly illegal demands, such as giving shelters new obligations usually handled by other federal contractors.

At best, these demands would make it more financially challenging for shelters in the state to continue operating; at worst, they might be a poison pill designed to force providers to lose their licenses and close.

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In comments to Breitbart — tellingly, the DeSantis administration announced the new policy via the virulently nativist, pro-Trump publication — state officials offered various bogus rationales.

They said they were fighting against “the Biden Administration’s massive human-smuggling operation,” referring to the transfer of unaccompanied children from the southwestern border to Florida. Of course, sending unaccompanied children to licensed care facilities before they’re ultimately placed with permanent sponsors — including sponsors based in Florida — is precisely what federal law requires.

DeSantis’s spokesperson also claimed DeSantis was preventing the Biden administration from “diverting resources away from kids in need in Florida.” But shelters and transitional foster-care families that care for unaccompanied immigrant children are completely federally funded and operate separate from locations that serve domestic kids. In other words, a bed that doesn’t go to an asylum-seeking migrant child would not otherwise go to an orphaned Floridian.

 

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

15 hours ago, Tweety said:

Biden's plan doesn't seem to address that issue.  But it also creates an opportunity to solve that problem.  I know republicans wouldn't want government run day care centers as a solution.  I would in the past say that an increase in demand would be met by our capitalistic society and business minded people creating more daycares because there's an opportunity to make money there and the usual economics would eventually take care of the situation.

But was we are seeing in this odd economy that's not always true.  For example the need for more truck drivers has created bottle necks and problems but not necessarily more truckers.  

The demand for nurses hasn't produced more nurses.

I don't necessarily think it's my job to take care of your children.  Most people work it out when they are having children as to what they are going to do.  It does fall mostly on women and families to take care of children but men too.  I have a coworker with toddlers and he and his wife have to coordinate schedules to take care of their kids..it's just what parents do.  He gets tax breaks that I don't get, but should he get daycare paid by me too?  

Anyway, lifting poor women out of poverty isn't going to happen without childcare options and I'm not a total cold hearted person.

I missed that the funding would provide only "government" day care

centers?  Is there no room for private-public partnerships with these funds?  People pay on a sliding scale at federally funded neighborhood health center.  Is there a plan to not continue with this plan for day care? I'm just asking because I really don't know the details.....and you know what the devil says about that.

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

14 hours ago, nursej22 said:

Do you have data to back up these assertions? 

So do you think that entry level, service type workers should not have children? I believe our population is already contracting. Will we end up like Japan and China, with an aging population and no tax payers to support them? 

 

I never knew that ovaries and testicles were manipulated by the IRS.  We really need to re-think how we want to treat our service workers before we don't have any left.  Again, I wouldn't give anything away for free but I'm not opposed to them having to pay less for childcare.  But when you are dealing with a mentality that believes children are gifts from god rather than people that need food, clothing, shelter and emotional security.  We need more scrappy people in our society and if we don't allow immigration, we will run out of people who inculcate these qualities in their children.  Plenty of people here do but we need more.

[toomuchbaloney]

53 minutes ago, Tweety said:

I have a friend that can gift me WaPo articles when my free views are used up, and I know some of you won't be able to read this.  But I'll quote some of the highlights.  Basically the article accuses states like Florida positioning themselves on the anti-immigrant bandwagon to look good to voters for a possible presidential run.

What's interesting is that evangelicals support DeSantis and his party, but it's the faith community that helps these children and provide the pushback causing other states to back down a bit on similar policies.

 

I think it's hard to take republican seriously when the engage in that dishonest way.

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

1 hour ago, subee said:

I missed that the funding would provide only "government" day care

centers?  Is there no room for private-public partnerships with these funds?  People pay on a sliding scale at federally funded neighborhood health center.  Is there a plan to not continue with this plan for day care? I'm just asking because I really don't know the details.....and you know what the devil says about that.

I don't know what you're talking about so clearly my post wasn't worded well. I was talking about solutions to the daycare shortage that Beerman said Republicans should address and I said one way they wouldn't address it would be government run daycares.  I'd be interested in the solution.

[Beerman, BSN]

On 12/12/2021 at 6:20 PM, MunoRN said:

Wr know that climate change produces more severe and unpredictable weather events.  Tornados, hurricanes, drought events, rain and flooding events, temperature extremes all have become less stable in conjunction with climate change.  We just had a tornado that went through 4 states, possibly the largest in US history, in December.

There were similar tornadoes in the area in the 1920's.  The droughts of the Dust Bowl in the 1930's.   Denver just ended a streak of 230 something days between measurable snow....the longest streak since the 1880's.

Tornadoes, droughts, floods....they've all happened before.

 

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

It might be just a coincidence that weather-related disasters have increased in the last 50 years.  It's just the Earth doing her thing like she always has and we humans just happen to be here and have no influence over it.

Still, I'd like us to admit we are in a climate change, as the Earth does like to do over time, and dumping pollutants all over the place might not be a good idea.

https://public.wmo.int/en/media/press-release/weather-related-disasters-increase-over-past-50-years-causing-more-damage-fewer