What do you think about with current News and Opinions?

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Something to understand what nurses think about re the Current News and their opinions!

[toomuchbaloney]

16 minutes ago, chare said:

Eight Marines and a hospital corpsman are dead. You were dismissive of that event then, and you remain so now.  As far as I can tell, the only difference in context is that you are using this to advance some political agenda.

War is pretty tragic.  The military engages in war.  War always leads to death.  The military isn't necessarily really good at achieving their objectives without human damage or death.  Recently it's become evident that the military hasn't even been "honest" in some of their projections about what they can or cannot do.  We've also discovered that they very possibly  aren't very good at intelligence or assessment of combat readiness. There are problems in the military with sexism and rape. That, to me, reflects a leadership problem. 

I worked very closely with the military for a number of years and have many veterans in my family. I count a number of veterans among my long term and closest friends. 

We spend a huge sum of money on our military.  I have high expectations for that level of investment.  I'm a fiscal conservative. I'm pleased that we aren't spending money on military presence in Afghanistan. Is that the political agenda that you are talking about?

 

[chare]

54 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

War is pretty tragic.  The military engages in war.  War always leads to death.  The military isn't necessarily really good at achieving their objectives without human damage or death.  Recently it's become evident that the military hasn't even been "honest" in some of their projections about what they can or cannot do.  We've also discovered that they very possibly  aren't very good at intelligence or assessment of combat readiness. There are problems in the military with sexism and rape. That, to me, reflects a leadership problem. 

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Yes, it is.  And yes, death and injury are inevitable.  However, these deaths didn't occur in war, the happened in training.  This incident, which had been discussed at length on several military and defense themed sites, resulted from a lack of training and failure to implement appropriate safety measures.

I also share your concerns that the military might be assessing their capabilities through rose colored glasses.  However, you missed the most concerning comment, at least in my opinion, in your referenced article when your posted.  

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"The claims on their time and attention surfaced in a number of interviews with several senior officers who described the conditions during this period as second only to their experience in combat,” Mundy wrote.

Apparently they've forgotten the old adage that "you fight the way you train."

And, it deeply disturbs me to say, considering the ongoing racial issues and sexual harassment and assault, there is a major leadership problem.

54 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

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We spend a huge sum of money on our military.  I have high expectations for that level of investment.  I'm a fiscal conservative. I'm pleased that we aren't spending money on military presence in Afghanistan. Is that the political agenda that you are talking about?

Agreed.  And unfortunately we aren't getting our money's worth in much of what it is spent on.  I also agree regarding Afghanistan, we lost too many good men and women, and spent too much money for what we ultimately got.  And, I'll say it again: whilebI think it could have been handled better, Mr. Biden did get us out of that quagmire.

As for any potential agenda, as this is my opinion, I should not have included that in my post.

[Cclm, LPN]

8 hours ago, subee said:

What's untrue about what Tweety said?  If you watched any hearings involving congress the past year, this sounds like a bunch of angry white men angry at some other angry white men.  If it's white on white and male on male - what is sexist or racist about that?  It's WHAT we SEE when we watch any govermental hearing.  I cannot think of a single thing I was ever denied in my life because I was white.  

Do you completely miss all the other males doing the same thing or just the white ones?  How about the women? 

And why is their skin color relevant? 

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

19 hours ago, GordonGekko said:

Why does their race or gender matter?  Why is it okay to point that out?

 

It says you are retired.  Try being in the job market now.  I have been on multiple hiring boards and have been flat out told whites aren't going to be hired particularly men.  As an Afro-Cuban I acknowledge my tremendous advantage in the job market due to the color of my skin and bilingual ability.  I have both black and hispanic privilege making my career advancement very easy.

Calling BS on that one.  Please show me a posting on a hiring board that says no whites need apply.

[toomuchbaloney]

16 hours ago, chare said:

these deaths didn't occur in war, the happened in training.  This incident, which had been discussed at length on several military and defense themed sites, resulted from a lack of training and failure to implement appropriate safety measures.

Training for war in exercises conceived of,  designed and executed by military leadership.  The incident reflected a failing of the extremely well funded military. It's almost unbelievable, how bad that training appeared to have been. 

The leadership and marketing have us believing that we pay for the best trained troops in the world but the actual evidence seems to portray something quite different.  

 

 

[Cclm, LPN]

14 hours ago, nursej22 said:

I mentioned several things that were sanctioned and or carried out by our government , not just "some people." This would fit the definition of systemic racism. 

I add, that you do not know me, and therefore cannot judge whether I devalue the sacrifices made during WW2.  

Yes. Systemic Racism in the 1940's! There was something much bigger happening at the same time. Starts with a "H". 

I guess it is my opinion  but I came to it because as I was describing the sacrifices, you had to admonish by reminding me of the things the US was doing at the sametime.  That makes me think you do not fully appreciate the freedom you have. Imo of course.  

1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Training for war in exercises conceived of,  designed and executed by military leadership.  The incident reflected a failing of the extremely well funded military. It's almost unbelievable, how badly that training appeared to have been. 

The leadership and marketing have us believing that we pay for the best trained troops in the world but the actual evidence seems to portray something quite different.  

 

 

I actually agree with you here!! There's hope yet. 

[Cclm, LPN]

1 hour ago, subee said:

Calling BS on that one.  Please show me a posting on a hiring board that says no whites need apply.

It might not say no whites but it can say "preference will be given "...  I'll find one and post it when I have time. 

Here in Canada it will say, "preference to aboriginal ". 

Which I do not fully disagree with but find somewhat insulting at the same time. Aboriginals need "preference" over other candidates? Because there is no way we can have compete with others? Or possibly have the skills and qualifications because we are aboriginal? I never indicate my indigenous heritage for this reason. 

The bigotry of low expectations. 

[Cclm, LPN]

20 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

"White man" is not "far left" terminology and the discussion of racism isn't reflective of "far left ideology".  You don't need to have a white man tell you if he accepts you individually.  You have history that shows that white men in North America removed indigenous children from homes and villages and forced them into boarding schools where many of them died...all because they really wanted those children to forget their culture and language and become more like the white people.  You certainly must know some people who endured that racist abuse, I do. 

I wasn't referring to "white man" I was referring to the ideology that whatever a POC says is. If we say it's racist then it's racist even if can be proven that it is not. Especially with white people. So I am right you can't say otherwise because you are white. I obviously do not believe in such garbage. 

I am very well aware of the Residential school system. However most people do not know about the far left radical ....our favorite word....propaganda infesting in it. 

I have experienced and seen racism from every race. I've been called "bed wench" the latter part of "racoon" " uncle Tom", "uncle Tomahawk" ...... In my experience I have been discriminated more by poc than white. However that's my experience not everyone. 

The members in this thread have already commented that not all white people are racist...yet you use that notion as a weapon implying that's what I or others have said.  Is that dishonest or evidence that you don't read and comprehend what we've /I've said?

A weapon like calling people ""Nazi" and "white supremacists " to silence their speech? Nah. 

Is this feeling that you have about North America indigenous heritage based in Canadian or USA history? I live in the middle of Alaska  and have the privilege of having been accepted into native village lives and homes.  I've heard a great deal of spoken history from them, all of it moving, rich, compelling and filled with the abuses of white men. 

Back then it was really only North America. I'll explain more about what my elders teach us. However, we are all different and not all subscribe to the perpetual victimhood. We reconize truth call out hypocrisy. 

I'm sorry that you feel bad.  I don't know you, I discuss ideas and thinking and politics etc in these threads...not you personally. 

I didn't really feel bad. I was being feticious. However I much mention you have never apologized for anything before. Might it be because you learned I'm aboriginal? See. Do not make assumptions. We do not all subscribe to the democrat narrative. 

 

[Cclm, LPN]

14 hours ago, chare said:

Yes, it is.  And yes, death and injury are inevitable.  However, these deaths didn't occur in war, the happened in training.  This incident, which had been discussed at length on several military and defense themed sites, resulted from a lack of training and failure to implement appropriate safety measures.

I also share your concerns that the military might be assessing their capabilities through rose colored glasses.  However, you missed the most concerning comment, at least in my opinion, in your referenced article when your posted.  

Apparently they've forgotten the old adage that "you fight the way you train."

And, it deeply disturbs me to say, considering the ongoing racial issues and sexual harassment and assault, there is a major leadership problem.

Agreed.  And unfortunately we aren't getting our money's worth in much of what it is spent on.  I also agree regarding Afghanistan, we lost too many good men and women, and spent too much money for what we ultimately got.  And, I'll say it again: whilebI think it could have been handled better, Mr. Biden did get us out of that quagmire.

As for any potential agenda, as this is my opinion, I should not have included that in my post.

Biden was only responsible for the actual evacuation. I find it disingenuous to say he was the one who "got us out",. That was already decided before he took office. He wasn't the president who "ended the war in Afghanistan".  It is also refreshing to hear someone say "it could have been handled better. 

The way he managed that withdrawal was a disaster to say the least. When confronted he just keeps repeating the same thing. "The buck stops with me". The "buck" was already stopped. 

I know I'll get well, "Trump did ,did not ......". 

However before anyone says anything just imagine how your opinions may be a little bit different if this withdrawl happen under Trump. 

[toomuchbaloney]

2 hours ago, Cclm said:

Yes. Systemic Racism in the 1940's! There was something much bigger happening at the same time. Starts with a "H". 

Fascism is not bigger than racism. They are both threats to a free and equitable society. 

[toomuchbaloney]

2 hours ago, Cclm said:

It might not say no whites but it can say "preference will be given "...  I'll find one and post it when I have time. 

Here in Canada it will say, "preference to aboriginal ". 

Which I do not fully disagree with but find somewhat insulting at the same time. Aboriginals need "preference" over other candidates? Because there is no way we can have compete with others? Or possibly have the skills and qualifications because we are aboriginal? I never indicate my indigenous heritage for this reason. 

The bigotry of low expectations. 

LOL

If a white nurse tries to get employment with the native health agencies in Alaska, they will be given consideration after native candidates are considered.  The focus and role of the native health system is to prioritize the needs of indigenous individuals and communities. That includes employment opportunities.  No, the assumption isn't that the indigenous nurses can't compete or aren't qualified. The reality is that structural racism results in indigenous candidates not getting employment because of the perpetuated racist thinking within the systems that are hiring...and so in the native health system THEY are given priority for employment. The idea that an aboriginal couldn't possibly have the skills or competitive edge is an example of racist thinking.  Does that make any sense to you? 

[nursej22, MSN, RN]

2 hours ago, Cclm said:

 

I guess it is my opinion  but I came to it because as I was describing the sacrifices, you had to admonish by reminding me of the things the US was doing at the sametime.  That makes me think you do not fully appreciate the freedom you have. Imo of course.  

 

I fully appreciate the freedom/privilege I have as a white person of European descent. 

I am also fearful of the movement toward minority rule as one party passes voter restrictions and restructures state election structures to assure their dominance. 

Did you see what the  Texas house has done? At 3:30 in the morning they passed a gerrymandered redistricting map that assures that white people (40% of the population) control 60% of the districts. 

But sure, go on about "H".