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4 hours ago, Beerman said:

In the context of a discussion about mandates vs freedoms, you stated that conservatives are making decisions based on a lack of information and/ or false information.  I then asked if the government knows better, and should be making decisions for us?

Kudos... you were the only one with the courage to answer, but your reply is a deflection.  Perhaps the biggest one that's been seen in these threads.

And, your assertion is false.  Many people are not making their own decisions about vaccination.  Not unless you think choosing between your job and a vaccination counts as "making their own decisions."

And where do you get off with making your own decisions? You are deluded if you think that you are making your own decisions! 

Every decision is dependent on circumstances that are almost never a result of your expectations. If so, your life would be perfect, you wouldn't have to work or pay bills or experience unhappiness etc. 

The moment you choose to live in society, then you are at the vagaries of the people in that society, which you either conform or adapt or go to jail! 

This delusional process that republicans have about free will only accentuates the level of ignorance and thoughtlessness that permeates your culture.

We are biological, social creatures that produces the rules that govern our behaviors! 

Go take a poop without the need to and see if you can make it happen? You haven't even got control of your own bowels! 

Step outside without your clothes and let's see how much free will you really have? 

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6 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

 

Support for Trump had actually grown among conservative voters since 010621. 

And those supporters are not interested in party support of politicians who do not support Trump. 

The GOP is in trouble.  

This sad. Other than supporting the former guy, do Republicans have any vision at for our country?

Keep your hands off my guns is not a vision, because there is no foresight about what than can lead to.

Outlawing abortions isn't a vision, because there is no plan for supporting unplanned pregnancies.

We've been hearing about repeal and replace Obamacare since it was passed, and nothing. 

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1 hour ago, Beerman said:

 

I'll make it simple.  The government should make decisions for us, because our elected officials know what is best for us.  Yes or no?

Why is this now the question? In what way is the government making a vaccination choice for you?

Let's take that conversation to the proper scope.  Does the government make decisions for you now? Are they choosing where your municipal water originates or how often it's tested or how it's treated?  Is your government choosing which streets get repaired first or where a fire station or hydrant might be located? And by government, are you talking about the people that we elect in our regions to govern us? Those elected officials who also decide tax policy and local ordinance and state reproductive health laws?

Our governments are not deciding for individuals whether or not they will be vaccinated.  They are deciding what is and isn't accessible to the unvaccinated.  They are deciding how to protect the many from the few.  They are deciding how to cause the unvaccinated to choose vaccination....even if begrudgingly. 

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47 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

This sad. Other than supporting the former guy, do Republicans have any vision at for our country?

Keep your hands off my guns is not a vision, because there is no foresight about what than can lead to.

Outlawing abortions isn't a vision, because there is no plan for supporting unplanned pregnancies.

We've been hearing about repeal and replace Obamacare since it was passed, and nothing. 

This is a concern.  The focus currently of GOP politics is rooted in falsehoods, obstruction and undermining of democratic election processes. As you will recall, the GOP doesn't even publish a policy platform for the 2020 election.  The party doesn't have policy, they have Trump and his propaganda. 

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2 hours ago, Cclm said:

Right. Because people can choose not to work. I guess they choose not to eat or take care of their kids. ....

I'm certain that they weigh the priority of meeting their ethical, moral and financial obligations against their feelings and beliefs about the vaccination. Very few of those people will choose to create that level of disruption in their personal lives for a belief or feeling. 

Mandates work. 

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8 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Why is this now the question? In what way is the government making a vaccination choice for you?

Let's take that conversation to the proper scope.  Does the government make decisions for you now? Are they choosing where your municipal water originates or how often it's tested or how it's treated?  Is your government choosing which streets get repaired first or where a fire station or hydrant might be located? And by government, are you talking about the people that we elect in our regions to govern us? Those elected officials who also decide tax policy and local ordinance and state reproductive health laws?

Our governments are not deciding for individuals whether or not they will be vaccinated.  They are deciding what is and isn't accessible to the unvaccinated.  They are deciding how to protect the many from the few.  They are deciding how to cause the unvaccinated to choose vaccination....even if begrudgingly. 

Once again, someone has forgotten or is ignoring the context in which this question came about. 

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5 hours ago, Beerman said:

In the context of a discussion about mandates vs freedoms, you stated that conservatives are making decisions based on a lack of information and/ or false information.  I then asked if the government knows better, and should be making decisions for us?

Is this the context you are referencing?  

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30 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

I'm certain that they weigh the priority of meeting their ethical, moral and financial obligations against their feelings and beliefs about the vaccination. Very few of those people will choose to create that level of disruption in their personal lives for a belief or feeling. 

Mandates work. 

And anybody can be a martyr.

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1 hour ago, nursej22 said:

This sad. Other than supporting the former guy, do Republicans have any vision at for our country?

Keep your hands off my guns is not a vision, because there is no foresight about what than can lead to.

Outlawing abortions isn't a vision, because there is no plan for supporting unplanned pregnancies.

We've been hearing about repeal and replace Obamacare since it was passed, and nothing. 

Their vision is just tearing stuff down that any Dem did.  If they actually had a platform, Trump might have won.  But he's lost the ability to make any coherent speech so I guess they gave up.

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16 hours ago, subee said:

Their vision is just tearing stuff down that any Dem did.  If they actually had a platform, Trump might have won.  But he's lost the ability to make any coherent speech so I guess they gave up.

Coherent? Have you listened to the current POTUS? Have you seen his approval ratings or heard the chants? "Let's go Brandon" LOL

Yeah. Trump was crass, not elegant but could construct sentences and follow his thought process. Not liking what he said is different than being able to say it. 

Tear stuff down? You mean border security? International relationships? The economy? Afghanistan? Statues? Entire city blocks? The IRON Dome Oh wait....... That's the dems. 

The Dems are in trouble in 2022 and 2024. 

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Anger in U.S. Customs and Border Protection as Biden administration’s vaccine mandate looms

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At least 47 CBP employees have died of covid-19 as of Tuesday , according to the agency, including one Border Patrol agent last month who was days from retirement. More than 11,400 have been infected with the deadly pathogen, about 19 percent of the workforce.

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Five Border Patrol agents died of covid-19 in September alone. The dead include two men in the San Diego sector, each with a wife and three children, according to the sector’s posting on facebook, which said only that they died “after struggling with a short term illness.”
One commenter asked: “Didn’t they die of COVID? if so, why not say so?”
CBP officials said they did not disclose the information for privacy reasons, but the union confirmed they died of covid-19.
The NBPC does not encourage members to get vaccinated and has said it would like to file a legal challenge to Biden’s mandate that all federal employees be immunized by Nov. 22, but it has not yet found lawyers willing to take the case.
The union president said the rising deaths saddened him but that the vaccines remain a “personal choice.”

Conservatives are willing to gamble with their lives and with yours apparently. 

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18 hours ago, Curious1997 said:

And where do you get off with making your own decisions? You are deluded if you think that you are making your own decisions! 

Every decision is dependent on circumstances that are almost never a result of your expectations. If so, your life would be perfect, you wouldn't have to work or pay bills or experience unhappiness etc. 

The moment you choose to live in society, then you are at the vagaries of the people in that society, which you either conform or adapt or go to jail! 

This delusional process that republicans have about free will only accentuates the level of ignorance and thoughtlessness that permeates your culture.

We are biological, social creatures that produces the rules that govern our behaviors! 

Go take a poop without the need to and see if you can make it happen? You haven't even got control of your own bowels! 

Step outside without your clothes and let's see how much free will you really 

7 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Anger in U.S. Customs and Border Protection as Biden administration’s vaccine mandate looms

Conservatives are willing to gamble with their lives and with yours apparently. 

I'm wondering why? Common man, perhaps there is an issue with the migrants vaccine status? Those people should be vaccinated but so should the people coming through. 

Conservatives are gambling? Or dems by letting large amounts of either unvaccinated, unknown vaccinated or don't even check migrants through the border? 

Or do only conservative transmit covid? 

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