What Did Joe See?

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"You're floating up to Tele this evening," my Supervisor stated.

"But, I can't read the monitors yet!" I replied with some anxiety. I was a L.P.N. going to R.N. school, and this was my first day on the job at this St. Paul hospital. I was only BLS certified, not ACLS.

"Not to worry," said she. "I told them your status and they have some over-flow Med/Surg patients that they need help with." I breathed a sigh of relief and nodded. Med/Surg was my strength.

"I'm on it. Thanks." Off I went to the Tele floor to grab Report. "Joe", was one of my elderly patients, recovering from a recent bout of pneumonia. He had also had a chest tube which was removed earlier that day. Awake, alert and oriented, he chatted on about his dear wife of 62 years, 9 kids and many grandchildren. He couldn't wait to get home. He was up in chair for supper. I had already done my assessment with him earlier, and medicated him for pain. He was tired of course, but in very good spirits. Around 8:00 p.m., I was assisting Joe with his H.S. cares. He was rather fatigued being up so we opted to let him do them while he was in bed. I had just set up the bedside table with his supplies.

"Joe," I said, "I am going to empty your foley bag while you are washing up, and then I will remove it and finish your cares."

He nodded, smiling. "You know," he started, "I use Sea Bond. (denture item) As soon as he got the words out, he looked past me at the window. His expression had suddenly changed. The sun had started to go down, and we were up several stories, so the beams from the sun wouldn't reach his window, still a very bright stream of light was coming through. Joe's smile broadened. Joe raised his arms, as his face lit up, as a child waiting to be picked up by a loving father, he collapsed.

"Joe," I yelled, "Can you hear me?" I grabbed my scope and listened to his chest. He had no heartbeat. I yelled for help. The nurses came running. In my panic I couldn't remember if he was a full code or not.

"He is," stated the Charge Nurse. "Let's do this."

I removed the headboard and placed it under Joe's upper body and tossed his Pillow to the chair. I climbed up on his bed for better leverage and began compressions. My Preceptor was there at his head with the Ambu bag. I counted and pushed down, praying inside that I was still doing it right, and that Joe would come back. I was so focused on the compressions and the fear I was feeling, I didn't notice when the Code Team arrived. They put leads on his chest, turned on their equipment, still I did compressions. Finally, and very kindly, sensing my intensity, the doctor gently said in my ear,

"You may stop compressions now."

"Oh!! You're here!" I said with relief. We had a rhythm. By now Joe's family was arriving in the hallway, along with the Hospital Chaplain. I looked at my Preceptor, trying hard to appear calm, even though inside my gut was feeling, anxiety, relief, exhaustion. She hugged me.

"Well," said she, "I guess we can check off your Orientation C.P.R. requirement." I stepped back into the hallway to see Joe's family. The team was still getting him stabilized for transport to ICU. The Chaplain was offering comfort and calm. The family asked me what happened. I explained. The Chaplain took my hand and held it to his chest and asked,

"What do you think he saw?" There was silence in the hallway. I knew I would have to be careful of what I said. Still, as nurses, we treat not only the body but the spirit as well. I silently prayed for guidance.

"I'm not sure," I started, "But, Joe saw something and whatever it was, or Whomever it was, he was happy when he saw it. He raised his arms, and drew it in." Tears began to form in the Chaplain's eyes. He turned and offered to walk over to ICU with the family.

I turned to my charting, a bit choked up myself. Jan, my Preceptor, just smiled. My first day on the job and my first code. Yikes! The next day I learned that we only got Joe back for four hours, that in the wee hours of the morning, he died. I was sad, but glad that we got him back long enough for him to say goodbye to his family and his beloved wife of 62 years.

Looking back, I am not sure why I was allowed to be part of that in the grand scheme of things. But while being mindful of HIPAA, when I shared the story with my Bio professor, a man with a cardiac problem, who often asked me about what I believed out of class, he too had tears in his eyes.

"If you are not sure of what may come after death, Sir, ask yourself this, what did Joe see?

Specializes in Pediatrics Retired.

[quote=Buckeye.nurse;983427...And in my darkest moment, fetal and weeping

The moon tells me a secret - my confidant

As full and bright as I am

This light is not my own and

A million light reflections pass over me

Its source is bright and endless

She resuscitates the hopeless

Without her, we are lifeless satellites drifting

I don't want to argue with you Have Nurse. I just want to point out that there are many different interpretations of the light, and many different paths to inner peace.

Thank you Buckeye.nurse...my dad was stationed in Guadalcanal during WW2. One of the few things he shared with me about that experience was that he would stare at the moon and receive comfort knowing his wife, my future mom, was safe at home and could see the same moon he was looking at; very powerful and spiritual according to any religion or belief or non-belief.

He was not a religious man but a man of high honor and integrity and I don't know if he accepted Jesus as his personal savior or not. I do know I expect to see him in the afterlife regardless...not offering rationale or explanation or anything to back up my statement.

Good post...as Davey stated way back...we won't know until we get there - until then Faith is what my wagon is hitched to.

Specializes in Med/Surg/Infection Control/Geriatrics.

It's been quite a ride hasn't it, Everyone? And from an earlier post from OldDude, we are all family here and unified by our nursing profession. I hope we can all continue to lift up one another.

Specializes in ICU.

That is an amazing story! There are so many accounts of people in their moments of death, or when they get brought back, that speak of something beyond life. Books have been written about people's experiences with near-death events. I definitely think there is SOMETHING. What that is, we wont find out until its our turn.

You know, as far as codes go, this experience had a very beautiful and deep aspect that I can see really impacted you, and has impacted those who have heard it.

I really believe that every single death can teach others something very powerful about life. And this truly honors that idea. Joe, or whatever his real name was, surely would be proud to know how his death has impacted so many in such a beautiful way.

Thanks for sharing.

Specializes in Med/Surg/Infection Control/Geriatrics.
That is an amazing story! There are so many accounts of people in their moments of death, or when they get brought back, that speak of something beyond life. Books have been written about people's experiences with near-death events. I definitely think there is SOMETHING. What that is, we wont find out until its our turn.

You know, as far as codes go, this experience had a very beautiful and deep aspect that I can see really impacted you, and has impacted those who have heard it.

I really believe that every single death can teach others something very powerful about life. And this truly honors that idea. Joe, or whatever his real name was, surely would be proud to know how his death has impacted so many in such a beautiful way.

Thanks for sharing.

Thank you. I needed that.

I woke up thinking about you this morning and hoped that you could get past your anger and frustration.

I don't believe what you said above and it doesn't really bother me.

When the evil in this world senses conflict with Him they will put up a fuss. No, I don't mean you.

If you will re-read the story, slowly, you will see that you missed some things. You mentioned that "Joe was dying," when, in fact he was not. His vitals were stable, his color was good, his lungs, though diminished were clear. There was no crepitus regarding the chest tube he had previous. He was alert, oriented up in a chair with standby assist only, and on room air. His sats were in the high 90's. If you ask me why I remember that, the events with him that evening are planted in my mind forever. You don't forget your first code, especially when you are a student.

He was stable and to be discharged the next morning. He was in tele, merely as OVERFLOW Med/Surg. He wasn't hooked up to a monitor because he didn't need it.

And you missed one important point. The sun had gone down, we were up several stories and I SAW THE LIGHT TOO.

In your rebuttal you completely ignored addressing those facts. But that aside, I can sense your unsettled spirit and hope that in time, you will be able to understand one day what is really being shared.

I hope that you will not have to endure what I did in life, for Him to get your attention.

I have lived a long time. I have served my country twice, lived in 4 countries, and saw waaay too much. My life losses have been off the charts. I did not think that the human heart could survive that kind of pain, and live.

When I think of the arrogance, pride, intellectual bargaining, rationalizing and just plain idiocy I committed in my life to justify myself, I can see how wrong I was and how The Lord really had no choice but allow me such pain before He could finally touch me and rescue my soul and my life.

Sometimes a Sheperd has to break the legs of the lamb to save it from wandering too far. When He does, He then carries that lamb around His neck so they can heal and He can love them.

I don't know if you will ever understand, Elkpark. I am sad that this is so hard for you, but I sincerely want you to know that you are a person with wonderful potential for His glory and I hope that one day you too will "Meet Me At The Wall." Best, Cynthia

I don't believe I said anything about "Joe" "dying," but perhaps I overlooked something I wrote and you can point to where I said that. However, since you do report that he only survived another four hours after the code, I would argue that "dying" is as accurate a description of his condition as anything else. His condition could hardly be "stable" if he randomly dropped dead; that seems rather the opposite of "stable" to me.

My "spirit" is settled just fine, thank you v. much. I'm not "angry," although I will freely admit I find your kind of self-righteous preaching "frustrating."

That thing about the "Sheperd" (usually spelled with an additional "h", but you do you) "having" to break the legs of the lamb to "save" it from wandering is the grossest and cruelest thing I've heard in a long time. Are you willing many converts with that particular sales pitch?

I "understand" what you're selling here only too well, but thanks for your concern, I guess.

Specializes in Pediatrics Retired.
I don't believe I said anything about "Joe" "dying," but perhaps I overlooked something I wrote and you can point to where I said that. However, since you do report that he only survived another four hours after the code, I would argue that "dying" is as accurate a description of his condition as anything else. His condition could hardly be "stable" if he randomly dropped dead; that seems rather the opposite of "stable" to me.

My "spirit" is settled just fine, thank you v. much. I'm not "angry," although I will freely admit I find your kind of self-righteous preaching "frustrating."

That thing about the "Sheperd" (usually spelled with an additional "h", but you do you) "having" to break the legs of the lamb to "save" it from wandering is the grossest and cruelest thing I've heard in a long time. Are you willing many converts with that particular sales pitch?

I "understand" what you're selling here only too well, but thanks for your concern, I guess.

You could have just said ok and left it at that. I misjudged you as evidenced by your repeated insistence on having the last word to trumpet your anti Christian point of view. Ok everyone gets it; really! So, why don't you back off Have Nurse and turn your passive/aggressive attack on me. Please explain, exactly, what Have Nurse is "selling." That is, if you can do that without, yet again, expressing sarcasm, passive/aggression, or some other negative salvo. I too pray for you, whether you like it, agree with it, or whether it pisses you off or not. You can't do anything about that. It's done. Amen!!

You could have just said ok and left it at that. I misjudged you as evidenced by your repeated insistence on having the last word to trumpet your anti Christian point of view. Ok everyone gets it; really! So, why don't you back off Have Nurse and turn your passive/aggressive attack on me. Please explain, exactly, what Have Nurse is "selling." That is, if you can do that without, yet again, expressing sarcasm, passive/aggression, or some other negative salvo. I too pray for you, whether you like it, agree with it, or whether it pisses you off or not. You can't do anything about that. It's done. Amen!!

I'm not being passive aggressive toward anyone, and wasn't trying to be sarcastic. Interesting that that's how you read it. (Sometimes I am intentionally trying to be sarcastic, which is usually quite obvious, but this isn't one of those times.) Maybe you can explain to me why so many Christians get so defensive and wounded when they get responses to their preaching that isn't agreement. How is my "trumpeting" my point of view (which actually isn't anti-Christian, just anti-preaching) any different from what the OP is doing, other than that you and the OP don't approve of my point of view? The OP could have "said ok and left it at that" just as easily as I could have, but didn't. How is

ETA: Okay, the "you do you" about misspelling "shepherd" was sarcasm. The rest of it wasn't. I'm out. Enjoy the thread.

Yes. My mother was alert though tired too the morning she died. She told us that "Russ was in the room last night." Russ was her dead brother. I believe you.

My Grandmama saw her Cousin Bessie just a day before she passed.

Sometimes nurses who are with a patient at the moment of death feel a breeze that can't be explained by an open window or fan or someone passing by. Or they feel what they describe as the departure of the deceased person's spirit. And in some cases, the patient had been weighed very close to the time of death. Upon weighing him/her just after death, the patient was a few pounds lighter.

Are you familiar with what is called the spirit body? Some people can, while alive, send their spirit body forth and have it perform certain deeds. Rebecca Brown, MD writes about this.

Specializes in Pediatrics Retired.
I'm not being passive aggressive toward anyone, and wasn't trying to be sarcastic. Interesting that that's how you read it. (Sometimes I am intentionally trying to be sarcastic, which is usually quite obvious, but this isn't one of those times.) Maybe you can explain to me why so many Christians get so defensive and wounded when they get responses to their preaching that isn't agreement. How is my "trumpeting" my point of view (which actually isn't anti-Christian, just anti-preaching) any different from what the OP is doing, other than that you and the OP don't approve of my point of view? The OP could have "said ok and left it at that" just as easily as I could have, but didn't. How is

ETA: Okay, the "you do you" about misspelling "shepherd" was sarcasm. The rest of it wasn't. I'm out. Enjoy the thread.

OK...

I was raised catholic, but I was never was happy with the idea that heaven is the final place we stay and that's it. We don't see anyone anymore and we just fly around in clouds.

Just for clarification, that is not Catholic teaching.

Peace!

Specializes in Med/Surg/Infection Control/Geriatrics.

I have slowly re-read many of the posts in response to "What Did Joe See?", and I marvel and wonder at the wonderful interactions and even some of the snarkey ones. Thank you for reading my story and offering your unique feedback. While we are all of us different in our walk toward eternity, I am glad to meet all of you and keep you in prayer. You are my brothers and sisters in Nursing. We draw strength from one another, and love too at times.

We have a hard job and we need one another. We need to support one another.

We offer guidance and expertise when it is asked for. We are grateful for it.

Mothers' Day is always a tough one for me so this nursing family means a lot especially today.

Hugs and warm fuzzies to all this special Sunday.

You could have just said ok and left it at that. I misjudged you as evidenced by your repeated insistence on having the last word to trumpet your anti Christian point of view. Ok everyone gets it; really! So, why don't you back off Have Nurse and turn your passive/aggressive attack on me. Please explain, exactly, what Have Nurse is "selling." That is, if you can do that without, yet again, expressing sarcasm, passive/aggression, or some other negative salvo. I too pray for you, whether you like it, agree with it, or whether it pisses you off or not. You can't do anything about that. It's done. Amen!!

While I won't speak for elkpark, I will say that it's tiring that Christians often treat non-Christians as if they just don't get it - like we're not special/enlightened/whatever enough. It's really insulting, though I hope it's not intentional. I mean, how would you feel if these things were said about you/your beliefs:

get past your anger and frustration.

Disagreeing with what is being said isn't born from anger or frustration. Turning a disagreement into this is pretty dismissive. It's in the vein of "you can't see what's right because of your anger".

I can sense your unsettled spirit and hope that in time, you will be able to understand one day what is really being shared

Again, this is really dismissive. It's not that I don't understand, I do understand. I just don't agree.

When I think of the arrogance, pride, intellectual bargaining, rationalizing and just plain idiocy I committed in my life to justify myself

This feels really passive aggressive and insulting, at least to me. It's insinuating that if you don't believe what's being presented, you're stuck in one of these stages.

I understand that part of being a Christian is wanting everyone to know what it feels like and experience it for themselves - but the comments really get out of hand and become insulting all too often. The "I'll pray for you" or "God still loves you" implies that I'm just not spiritually mature enough to handle the reality of things, or that I still have lessons to learn - rather than my beliefs, while different, are valid.

Again, only speaking for myself and my impression of this thread. I respect that other people feel differently and have their own truths. But it's rarely reciprocated.

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