What Did Joe See?

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"You're floating up to Tele this evening," my Supervisor stated.

"But, I can't read the monitors yet!" I replied with some anxiety. I was a L.P.N. going to R.N. school, and this was my first day on the job at this St. Paul hospital. I was only BLS certified, not ACLS.

"Not to worry," said she. "I told them your status and they have some over-flow Med/Surg patients that they need help with." I breathed a sigh of relief and nodded. Med/Surg was my strength.

"I'm on it. Thanks." Off I went to the Tele floor to grab Report. "Joe", was one of my elderly patients, recovering from a recent bout of pneumonia. He had also had a chest tube which was removed earlier that day. Awake, alert and oriented, he chatted on about his dear wife of 62 years, 9 kids and many grandchildren. He couldn't wait to get home. He was up in chair for supper. I had already done my assessment with him earlier, and medicated him for pain. He was tired of course, but in very good spirits. Around 8:00 p.m., I was assisting Joe with his H.S. cares. He was rather fatigued being up so we opted to let him do them while he was in bed. I had just set up the bedside table with his supplies.

"Joe," I said, "I am going to empty your foley bag while you are washing up, and then I will remove it and finish your cares."

He nodded, smiling. "You know," he started, "I use Sea Bond. (denture item) As soon as he got the words out, he looked past me at the window. His expression had suddenly changed. The sun had started to go down, and we were up several stories, so the beams from the sun wouldn't reach his window, still a very bright stream of light was coming through. Joe's smile broadened. Joe raised his arms, as his face lit up, as a child waiting to be picked up by a loving father, he collapsed.

"Joe," I yelled, "Can you hear me?" I grabbed my scope and listened to his chest. He had no heartbeat. I yelled for help. The nurses came running. In my panic I couldn't remember if he was a full code or not.

"He is," stated the Charge Nurse. "Let's do this."

I removed the headboard and placed it under Joe's upper body and tossed his Pillow to the chair. I climbed up on his bed for better leverage and began compressions. My Preceptor was there at his head with the Ambu bag. I counted and pushed down, praying inside that I was still doing it right, and that Joe would come back. I was so focused on the compressions and the fear I was feeling, I didn't notice when the Code Team arrived. They put leads on his chest, turned on their equipment, still I did compressions. Finally, and very kindly, sensing my intensity, the doctor gently said in my ear,

"You may stop compressions now."

"Oh!! You're here!" I said with relief. We had a rhythm. By now Joe's family was arriving in the hallway, along with the Hospital Chaplain. I looked at my Preceptor, trying hard to appear calm, even though inside my gut was feeling, anxiety, relief, exhaustion. She hugged me.

"Well," said she, "I guess we can check off your Orientation C.P.R. requirement." I stepped back into the hallway to see Joe's family. The team was still getting him stabilized for transport to ICU. The Chaplain was offering comfort and calm. The family asked me what happened. I explained. The Chaplain took my hand and held it to his chest and asked,

"What do you think he saw?" There was silence in the hallway. I knew I would have to be careful of what I said. Still, as nurses, we treat not only the body but the spirit as well. I silently prayed for guidance.

"I'm not sure," I started, "But, Joe saw something and whatever it was, or Whomever it was, he was happy when he saw it. He raised his arms, and drew it in." Tears began to form in the Chaplain's eyes. He turned and offered to walk over to ICU with the family.

I turned to my charting, a bit choked up myself. Jan, my Preceptor, just smiled. My first day on the job and my first code. Yikes! The next day I learned that we only got Joe back for four hours, that in the wee hours of the morning, he died. I was sad, but glad that we got him back long enough for him to say goodbye to his family and his beloved wife of 62 years.

Looking back, I am not sure why I was allowed to be part of that in the grand scheme of things. But while being mindful of HIPAA, when I shared the story with my Bio professor, a man with a cardiac problem, who often asked me about what I believed out of class, he too had tears in his eyes.

"If you are not sure of what may come after death, Sir, ask yourself this, what did Joe see?

Specializes in Med/Surg/Infection Control/Geriatrics.
I knew when I read the initial post that this thread was eventually going to turn into the OP preaching to us. OP, the Bible is a lovely collection of writings and lots of people believe in what it says, but that in no way makes it "fact." I'll make a deal with you -- those of us here who consider the whole thing nonsense won't try to talk you out of believing what you believe, and you don't try to talk us into believing it. Deal??? The preaching gets v. tedious and annoying.

(BTW, I'm with Nuland and the other scientists on the whole NDE thing.)

Thank you for your perspective. And you certainly have the right to explore things. I love Science! My son is a scientist and I am very proud of him.

It is not my job, nor my "mission" to make anyone believe, merely an obedience to share that there really is a wonderful Creator who loves us and loves you.

It is not my job to bring in the harvest, only to plant the seeds when and where appropriate. And that, I leave up to the Holy Spirit.

I love the interaction that we have had!! Thank you. Best to you, truly!!

Specializes in Med/Surg/Infection Control/Geriatrics.
I think the reason we like to think there's something on the other side is so we won't be afraid of death when it comes and accept it. Death seems less scary if you think you will be okay.

When I was in high school, there as this book called "Elsewhere". The story basically about this young girl who dies from a bicycle accident and wakes up on a boat. She arrives in a city called Elsewhere, where everyone ages backwards, and once they are newborn age, they get sent down a river and are re-born.

I was raised catholic, but I was never was happy with the idea that heaven is the final place we stay and that's it. We don't see anyone anymore and we just fly around in clouds. I like the idea that we will see our love ones in Heaven, like the protagonist did and possibly, come back to live again.

I had times when I felt like I didn't want to live again, but I found myself again and gained my will to live again. So I don't want to stay dead, I want to live.

Isn't it wonderful and intriguing to think of the possibilities? Thank you for your thoughts!!

Specializes in Med/Surg/Infection Control/Geriatrics.
I am a Christian and "believe" in that which is written in the Bible...but elkpark, what a refreshing statement! It's been a long time since I've seen an example of disagreement, especially over such a subject, without nasty and personal attacks. Obviously, people come from diverse and varied backgrounds so there will never be universal agreement; except for one thing - the one thing we have in common here is we are all nurses...universally bonded!!

Now if we could just take your reasonable viewpoint and overlay it onto politics!!!!:woot:

I LOVE THIS!!! AMEN!

Specializes in Med/Surg/Infection Control/Geriatrics.
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and Joe was near death. He proved that by dying a short time thereafter.

None of us want to believe that we will cease to exist after we die. We all want to believe that our existance will continue in some form.

It's obvious that you want to believe Joe had a and are arguing for that premise.

You asked, Have Nurse, "What did Joe See?", when in fact it seems you are seeking reinforcement for your beliefs, i.e. "Did Joe See What I Really Want to Believe He Saw?"

Considering that Dr. Nuland's belief may just be what happens after we die was a difficult pill for me to swallow, but the fact is it might be just what happens.

We can discuss and argue beliefs until we're blue in the face, but, in the end, that's all they are: beliefs.

Some day we will each know the truth. But for now, the majority want to support the belief in an afterlife.

Well, I like to think of it this way: If we had no need of Jesus, or forgiveness, there would be no point to his great sacrifice. God is not a liar. He loves us and frankly I think there are times when He gets a bit lonely for his children, especially the ones who don't know Him.

"I am the door; by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out and find pasture." John 10:9

At the risk of sounding "preachy" understand this. I do have a pull in my heart, for lost souls, God gave that to me as a young adult after I finally turned my life over to Him.

I only wanted to share the story of Joe, because it was on my heart this past week. Joe has been gone for years, but his death has been a sober reminder of how fragile life can be, even when it appears to be going fine.

I guess it's a sober reminder that we mustn't take anything for granted.

Well, I like to think of it this way: If we had no need of Jesus, or forgiveness, there would be no point to his great sacrifice. God is not a liar. He loves us and frankly I think there are times when He gets a bit lonely for his children, especially the ones who don't know Him.

"I am the door; by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out and find pasture." John 10:9

At the risk of sounding "preachy" understand this. I do have a pull in my heart, for lost souls, God gave that to me as a young adult after I finally turned my life over to Him.

I only wanted to share the story of Joe, because it was on my heart this past week. Joe has been gone for years, but his death has been a sober reminder of how fragile life can be, even when it appears to be going fine.

I guess it's a sober reminder that we mustn't take anything for granted.

And the preaching continues ... So, I guess you're not interested in my offer, and will be happy to patiently listen to us attempt to convince you that your beliefs are nonsensical superstition ... :rolleyes:

Well, I like to think of it this way: If we had no need of Jesus, or forgiveness, there would be no point to his great sacrifice. God is not a liar. He loves us and frankly I think there are times when He gets a bit lonely for his children, especially the ones who don't know Him.

"I am the door; by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out and find pasture." John 10:9

At the risk of sounding "preachy" understand this. I do have a pull in my heart, for lost souls, God gave that to me as a young adult after I finally turned my life over to Him.

I only wanted to share the story of Joe, because it was on my heart this past week. Joe has been gone for years, but his death has been a sober reminder of how fragile life can be, even when it appears to be going fine.

I guess it's a sober reminder that we mustn't take anything for granted.

That ship has sailed.

There are plenty of people at peace with the thought of nothing after death. I'm one of them. I'm not certain, none of us can be. But I certainly don't think I'm in any position to speak on the matter as if I do know.

Specializes in Med/Surg/Infection Control/Geriatrics.
And the preaching continues ... So, I guess you're not interested in my offer, and will be happy to patiently listen to us attempt to convince you that your beliefs are nonsensical superstition ... :rolleyes:

That's alright. He believes in you. I have been asking for someone to pray for. I think He just told me.

Specializes in Med/Surg/Infection Control/Geriatrics.
That ship has sailed.

There are plenty of people at peace with the thought of nothing after death. I'm one of them. I'm not certain, none of us can be. But I certainly don't think I'm in any position to speak on the matter as if I do know.

That's where faith comes in, Friend. That's alright. I do not judge, only share. You and others like you are on a journey. In time, we will see what road we all land on. Best to you. Truly. I appreciate your remarks.

That's alright. He believes in you. I have been asking for someone to pray for. I think He just told me.

Don't waste your breath. That kind of condescending tripe is soooo offensive. Do you realize that you're turning off a lot more people with that then you are reaching?

Specializes in Med/Surg/Infection Control/Geriatrics.
Don't waste your breath. That kind of condescending tripe is soooo offensive. Do you realize that you're turning off a lot more people with that then you are reaching?

I woke up thinking about you this morning and hoped that you could get past your anger and frustration.

I don't believe what you said above and it doesn't really bother me.

When the evil in this world senses conflict with Him they will put up a fuss. No, I don't mean you.

If you will re-read the story, slowly, you will see that you missed some things. You mentioned that "Joe was dying," when, in fact he was not. His vitals were stable, his color was good, his lungs, though diminished were clear. There was no crepitus regarding the chest tube he had previous. He was alert, oriented up in a chair with standby assist only, and on room air. His sats were in the high 90's. If you ask me why I remember that, the events with him that evening are planted in my mind forever. You don't forget your first code, especially when you are a student.

He was stable and to be discharged the next morning. He was in tele, merely as OVERFLOW Med/Surg. He wasn't hooked up to a monitor because he didn't need it.

And you missed one important point. The sun had gone down, we were up several stories and I SAW THE LIGHT TOO.

In your rebuttal you completely ignored addressing those facts. But that aside, I can sense your unsettled spirit and hope that in time, you will be able to understand one day what is really being shared.

I hope that you will not have to endure what I did in life, for Him to get your attention.

I have lived a long time. I have served my country twice, lived in 4 countries, and saw waaay too much. My life losses have been off the charts. I did not think that the human heart could survive that kind of pain, and live.

When I think of the arrogance, pride, intellectual bargaining, rationalizing and just plain idiocy I committed in my life to justify myself, I can see how wrong I was and how The Lord really had no choice but allow me such pain before He could finally touch me and rescue my soul and my life.

Sometimes a Sheperd has to break the legs of the lamb to save it from wandering too far. When He does, He then carries that lamb around His neck so they can heal and He can love them.

I don't know if you will ever understand, Elkpark. I am sad that this is so hard for you, but I sincerely want you to know that you are a person with wonderful potential for His glory and I hope that one day you too will "Meet Me At The Wall." Best, Cynthia

Specializes in Hematology-oncology.

Elkpark can certainly speak for her/himself, but I just had to say something after your last post Have Nurse. I respect your journey, the story you shared, and the spiritual peace you have achieved after troubled years earlier in your life.

I've noticed though, over the years, that many Christians (not all, but many) assume that *THEIR* path to spiritual peace is the only path. Some people are Buddhists, Muslims, practice Hinduism, or are simply most at peace meditating in the middle of nature.

To quote Maynard James Keenan from the band Tool~~ And in my darkest moment, fetal and weeping

The moon tells me a secret - my confidant

As full and bright as I am

This light is not my own and

A million light reflections pass over me

Its source is bright and endless

She resuscitates the hopeless

Without her, we are lifeless satellites drifting

And as I pull my head out I am without one doubt

Don't wanna be down here soothing my narcissism.

I must crucify the ego before it's far too late

I pray the light lifts me out

Before I pine away.

So crucify the ego, before it's far too late

To leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical,

And you will come to find that we are all one mind

Capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.

Just let the light touch you

And let the words spill through

And let them pass right through

Bringing out our hope and reason...

before we pine away.

I don't want to argue with you Have Nurse. I just want to point out that there are many different interpretations of the light, and many different paths to inner peace.

Specializes in Med/Surg/Infection Control/Geriatrics.
Elkpark can certainly speak for her/himself, but I just had to say something after your last post Have Nurse. I respect your journey, the story you shared, and the spiritual peace you have achieved after troubled years earlier in your life.

I've noticed though, over the years, that many Christians (not all, but many) assume that *THEIR* path to spiritual peace is the only path. Some people are Buddhists, Muslims, practice Hinduism, or are simply most at peace meditating in the middle of nature.

To quote Maynard James Keenan from the band Tool~~ And in my darkest moment, fetal and weeping

The moon tells me a secret - my confidant

As full and bright as I am

This light is not my own and

A million light reflections pass over me

Its source is bright and endless

She resuscitates the hopeless

Without her, we are lifeless satellites drifting

And as I pull my head out I am without one doubt

Don't wanna be down here soothing my narcissism.

I must crucify the ego before it's far too late

I pray the light lifts me out

Before I pine away.

So crucify the ego, before it's far too late

To leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical,

And you will come to find that we are all one mind

Capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.

Just let the light touch you

And let the words spill through

And let them pass right through

Bringing out our hope and reason...

before we pine away.

I don't want to argue with you Have Nurse. I just want to point out that there are many different interpretations of the light, and many different paths to inner peace.

Hi. And thank you for your kind words. Jesus said , "I am the way , the truth and the life. No man comes to the father except through me." All of those wonderful people you mentioned are dead. He isn't.

We are all of us, on unique journey in life, aren't we? â˜ºí ¼í¼· Best to you and peace.

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