We’re all being “fired”! Is this legal?

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I work on a Surgical Oncology floor. It should technically be qualified as a step down, we’ve been fighting for years to be qualified as a step down. Travel nurses and float pool alike run screaming when they have to come to our unit. Our ratios are 5:1 with fresh trach and lary patients thrown in the mix. Not to mention all of the other highly involved post operative patients.

Earlier this year, our management mentioned they would like us all to get the OCN certification. It’s a highly involved cert, mainly dealing with chemo, which we NEVER do on my floor. Now, they are calling people at home and the conversation is as follows: “are you planning to get your OCN by February?” If you answer no, the response is, “then are you planning to tender your resignation by February?” 

At first this certification was just a recommendation, a “we’d like you to.” Now it’s become mandatory. Many of the staff nurses have worked there for years without it and everyone is fearful of losing their jobs after the holidays. Myself included.

Not a month ago, we had a staff meeting and my manager said she couldn’t “pay people enough” to come work on our unit, now they’re going to fire those who will?

I guess my question is, what is the legality of this? It was not a requirement when we signed on. They’re calling people at home on off days to use bullying tactics about getting it and scaring them into quitting (probably to avoid paying unemployment). Most of the nurses have said they won’t do it at this point. 

We’ve all expressed we will get certified in something that has to do with our actual jobs. But this certification is a lot of time (and money) spent for something we will not use, simply for the letters behind the name. What do you guys think? Is is time to move to greener pastures? Can they actually fire an entire floor? Thanks for your help.

I would love to get an update. 

On 10/1/2022 at 8:07 AM, Taylor22 said:

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I work on a Surgical Oncology floor. It should technically be qualified as a step down, we’ve been fighting for years to be qualified as a step down. Travel nurses and float pool alike run screaming when they have to come to our unit. Our ratios are 5:1 with fresh trach and lary patients thrown in the mix. Not to mention all of the other highly involved post operative patients.

Earlier this year, our management mentioned they would like us all to get the OCN certification. It’s a highly involved cert, mainly dealing with chemo, which we NEVER do on my floor. Now, they are calling people at home and the conversation is as follows: “are you planning to get your OCN by February?” If you answer no, the response is, “then are you planning to tender your resignation by February?” 

At first this certification was just a recommendation, a “we’d like you to.” Now it’s become mandatory. Many of the staff nurses have worked there for years without it and everyone is fearful of losing their jobs after the holidays. Myself included.

Not a month ago, we had a staff meeting and my manager said she couldn’t “pay people enough” to come work on our unit, now they’re going to fire those who will?

I guess my question is, what is the legality of this? It was not a requirement when we signed on. They’re calling people at home on off days to use bullying tactics about getting it and scaring them into quitting (probably to avoid paying unemployment). Most of the nurses have said they won’t do it at this point. 

We’ve all expressed we will get certified in something that has to do with our actual jobs. But this certification is a lot of time (and money) spent for something we will not use, simply for the letters behind the name. What do you guys think? Is is time to move to greener pastures? Can they actually fire an entire floor? Thanks for your help.

If you are in a right-to-work state, yes. However, have you talked to HR? And if no one gets certified, or only a few do, it would be suicide for them to fire anyone.

Specializes in OB-Gyn/Primary Care/Ambulatory Leadership.
18 hours ago, GURF said:

If you are in a right-to-work state, yes. 

I believe you mean "employment at will" state. "Right to work" is about an employee's choice to join a union.

1 hour ago, klone said:

I believe you mean "employment at will" state. "Right to work" is about an employee's choice to join a union.

RTW incorporates EAW. My offer letters have used RTW in their language where they articulate termination or my resignation.

Specializes in OB-Gyn/Primary Care/Ambulatory Leadership.
10 hours ago, GURF said:

RTW incorporates EAW. My offer letters have used RTW in their language where they articulate termination or my resignation.

Then they're using it incorrectly, if they're in the US. "Right to Work" laws in the US have nothing to do with being able to terminate one's employment at will without cause. It's about allowing a person to choose not to join a union. 

A rose by any other name.

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