Was I wrong?

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Bear with me for this is going to be a little long. I was covering part of a shift for a co-worker on my scheduled day off. The shift was 7am-730pm and I was working 9 to 3:30 for her on the regular med-surg floor(I work Neuro med-surg normally).

I came in and my co-worker gave me report on her patients and then she left. She told me she did everyone's vitals and morning meds so everyone was set that the only thing she asked me to do was to give her sickle cell patient her PRN morphine. So I went in and accessed the patient and the poor girl was clenching the side of the rails squeezing her eyes shut she was obviously hurting. She was admitted for pain control and dehydration. She had orders for morphine 6mgs IV q2hr. Oxycontin 40mgs q8hrs, ativan 2mgs IV q6hr she also had prns for benadryl and zofran forgot the dosages though..probably 25mgs and 4mgs respectively. So I went in and gave her the morphine and she said it hasnt been working and the other nurse was supposed to get an order for something else. The other nurse made no mention of this to me so I called her doctor.

I spoke to the resident and he was open to my suggestions so I suggested this patient would be a good candidate for a PCA since she was requiring PRNs Q2 and wasn't getting much relief from that I thought a PCA would be good for this patient. Not to mention most sicklers I get on my floor are on a PCA and do well. So I got an order for a fentanyl PCA and the doctor also ordered toradol 30 IV q6 and a one time dose of IVP fentanyl 50mcgs to break the pain she was in since the morphine didnt help and to hold her while I was setting up the PCA. So I gave her the fentanyl and toradol and just after that she said she was feeling a bit better. I gave her the PCA and about an hour and 15 minutes after I set it up for her she was up and sitting in a chair watching TV and drinking cranberry juice where before she was clenching the rails looking(and feeling I am sure) like death warmed over. She was smiling and thanked me and reported her pain down to 3 when it was a 9 before.

Now this is where the trouble started. My co-worker came back shortly after 3:00 to finish the rest of her shift. I gave her report and of course told her about her sickle cell patient how the morphine wasn't working and how I got her a PCA. My co-worker went ballistic on me. She told me this patient was a known drug seeker and scammer how she comes in the hospital all the time for narcotics and 3 hots and a cot and she was going to do everything in her power to get the PCA d/c because she wasn't going to cater to this addict when she had other patients with real problems to deal with. She was also mad that I didn't call her and consult with her about getting HER patients meds changed. I was just covering I should have just followed the med orders and she would be the one calling for order changes not me.

Am I losing it or am I really in the wrong here? This patient was obviously in genuine pain and with a sickle cell diagnosis I would rather treat faked pain then not treat potentially real pain. Also she didn't say one word about this patient being a seeker. She actually asked me to give her patient the morphine. I dont think anything is wrong with calling and getting a patients order changed that was visibly in distress. Its not like I was covering a lunch break. According to this nurse I should have made this poor patient wait 5 plus hours in excruciating pain for her to get back. I also didnt see any drug seeking red flags. She wasn't asking for any of the double D medications(demerol or dilaudid) she wasn't reporting 10 out of 10 pain while laughing on her phone and scarfing down trays of food and her HR was 110..she was in pain.

What would you have done? Would you have waited for your co-worker to get back or would you have called for a different order?

Specializes in Travel, Home Health, Med-Surg.

Agree with others, it was your patient and your call, period! And I also would never work for her again!

I'm sure is this pt was in there all the time seeking drugs the dr would of been aware of this. Some people just like things done there way and can't handle it when things change. You said she was just a co worked on another ward, so I wouldn't worry about it. Let her find somebody else to cover her next time.

A resident doc wouldnt necessarily know pt.

Sicklers have evil pain, for real.

May this suspicious witch of a nurse experience such pain in her body so she will understand.

Specializes in Med-Surg/Neuro/Oncology floor nursing..
I think your co worker needs to get the hell over herself personally.

You advocated for someone in your care who was in pain, and as a result their pain was adequately managed.

I recall a similar situation when I was a student. Patient had arterial ulcers and as a result was in alot of pain. Also had a history of high ETOH use. I would ask my preceptor Mr Such and Such needs pain relief and the response would be "oh well hes an alcoholic". I was really lucky as a student I could say sort of act naive and get him the pain relief citing that i needed the practice.

The difference when his pain was adequately managed, he would be sitting up in bed, reading his book, talking to his neighbour. When his pain wasnt well managed, he was basically curled up into a tiny ball and not moving

Good on you for advocating for the patient

What is it with some nurses(and docs) that think that just because someone abuses drugs and or alcohol that 1) they can't possibly be having real pain and 2)if they really are having pain they are addicts so no addicting meds for them like they should be punished for being addicted to something.

As far as sickle cell goes it really isn't relevant if they are addicts. They have a life long excruciating painful disease. Its almost like being worried about getting a patient in hospice addicted to narcs. With sickle cell the disease is never going away their is no cure. Some if not most will need narcotics for the rest of their lives. Being addicted isn't really relevent.

Oh, forgot my anecdote. Early in my career I cared for a SS pt who in the hospital received 20mg IV Dilaudid q 2 hrs. Yes, you read that right. Twenty. AND 50mg IV Benadryl q 4hrs

Thats another issue that comes up is the huge amounts of narcotics these SSC patients are indeed tolerant to. If they don't get the right dosages of these meds for these patients then you also have to deal with opiate withdrawal on top of the excruciating disease process sickle cell. Gosh can you imagine being in withdrawal during a crisis? I luckily can't even imagine but its something I wouldn't wish on anyone.

Specializes in Psych ICU, addictions.

Guess what? Once YOU assumed care of the patient, she became YOUR patient. You advocated for your patient. The resident agreed with your recommendations. He/she is the one that put in the order and made it happen.

And IMO, it's not your place--or your coworker's place--to decide whether or not a patient really is in pain but is instead drug seeking. Pain is whatever the patient says it is. Doesn't matter if the person is opiate-naive or the biggest drug addict on the block. Your role is to convey the patient's condition to the resident, who will then make the call as to what, if anything, to provide for pain relief. And unless the patient's condition contraindicates giving ordered pain medication (i.e., allergies, her respirations are 6/min), then there's no reason the pain medication should be held from her.

You weren't wrong.

You gave patient centered care, that is what is important. And if I was in pain from a sickle cell crisis, I would be a "med seeker" too!

just another controlling nurse...wanting thing her way..i can't stand having to work with ppl like that, they have poor skills when it comes to working as a team..which only makes life easier for everyone

Your co worker is an addict. I have investigated so many of these cases, it was very obvious from your first sentence. It's a good thing you came along that day. Best wishes to you.

Specializes in Emergency Nursing.

I just want to echo what everyone else said and say great job. If I or any of my loved ones was ever in pain or needed help, I would feel so fortunate if they had a nurse like you. And in our profession, I can't really think of any higher compliment. You were your patient's advocate and 100% did the right thing. I'm sure that your (YOUR.. NOT your coworker's) patient is very thankful for it, and don't let your coworker's reaction make you question yourself for even a second.

PS maybe I'm a weirdo but I'm kind of worried about this nurse taking care of this patient again? I don't know how things work on in-patient units (I'm from ER) but can she get the doctor to d/c the PCA pump? Can we be certain the patient's pain will continue to be controlled once she reassumes responsibility? Is her bias against this patient going to cause her to let the patient suffer with inadequate pain control? Or is this patient covered now that the PCA pulp had been initiated?

Specializes in Med-Surg/Neuro/Oncology floor nursing..
I just want to echo what everyone else said and say great job. If I or any of my loved ones was ever in pain or needed help, I would feel so fortunate if they had a nurse like you. And in our profession, I can't really think of any higher compliment. You were your patient's advocate and 100% did the right thing. I'm sure that your (YOUR.. NOT your coworker's) patient is very thankful for it, and don't let your coworker's reaction make you question yourself for even a second.

PS maybe I'm a weirdo but I'm kind of worried about this nurse taking care of this patient again? I don't know how things work on in-patient units (I'm from ER) but can she get the doctor to d/c the PCA pump? Can we be certain the patient's pain will continue to be controlled once she reassumes responsibility? Is her bias against this patient going to cause her to let the patient suffer with inadequate pain control? Or is this patient covered now that the PCA pulp had been initiated?

The nurse can call the doctor and try to get the order for the PCA discontinued. I dont think he would do that because after I started the PCA I was on the phone with him a few times giving him her status and I told him that the only side effect she was having was pain relief! It really was night and day with this patient she was flat on her back clenching the rails on the bed with the lights off and she didn't touch her breakfast tray before the fentanyl IVP and PCA. I checked on her frequently and after the PCA she was out of bed in the chair watching TV pretty much the rest of the time I was there and she even ate a little bit of soup for lunch. I told the resident all of this and he and the attending were happy with this and they were going to make a note in her records if she is admitted next time that fentanyl is what should be tried first. So with such good results the doctor should not d/c the PCA until she is able to get relief from PO meds. It was my day off but I'm going in to work in a few hours actually(darn insomnia) and I'm going to check on the patient assuming she is still there and I'm getting with my manager as well as the resident to explain what happened. I don't want anyone in the future to suffer needlessly either.

Specializes in Addictions, psych, corrections, transfers.

I hate to say this but I worked with a nurse that did almost this exact thing and it turned out she was diverting pain meds. She didn't want a client on a PCA because then she wouldn't have easy access to pain meds. Also, a red flag was the morphine wasn't working. That's probably a lot to assume, but this story sounded too familiar. Did you ask that patient if she was receiving her morphine Q 4?

The labs will tell you if shes in real crisis. What was her retic count ?

Your co worker is an addict. I have investigated so many of these cases, it was very obvious from your first sentence. It's a good thing you came along that day. Best wishes to you.

My thoughts exactly. I've worked with addict nurses and the nurse's response was overkill for such a simple order change unless the PCA prevents her from signing out morphine. The patient was hurting because she was probably diverting it and giving the poor woman saline. She needs more than remedial education, she needs to be in a diversion program with the state board of nursing and prevention of administering narcotics until she completes the program.

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