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Bear with me for this is going to be a little long. I was covering part of a shift for a co-worker on my scheduled day off. The shift was 7am-730pm and I was working 9 to 3:30 for her on the regular med-surg floor(I work Neuro med-surg normally).

I came in and my co-worker gave me report on her patients and then she left. She told me she did everyone's vitals and morning meds so everyone was set that the only thing she asked me to do was to give her sickle cell patient her PRN morphine. So I went in and accessed the patient and the poor girl was clenching the side of the rails squeezing her eyes shut she was obviously hurting. She was admitted for pain control and dehydration. She had orders for morphine 6mgs IV q2hr. Oxycontin 40mgs q8hrs, ativan 2mgs IV q6hr she also had prns for benadryl and zofran forgot the dosages though..probably 25mgs and 4mgs respectively. So I went in and gave her the morphine and she said it hasnt been working and the other nurse was supposed to get an order for something else. The other nurse made no mention of this to me so I called her doctor.

I spoke to the resident and he was open to my suggestions so I suggested this patient would be a good candidate for a PCA since she was requiring PRNs Q2 and wasn't getting much relief from that I thought a PCA would be good for this patient. Not to mention most sicklers I get on my floor are on a PCA and do well. So I got an order for a fentanyl PCA and the doctor also ordered toradol 30 IV q6 and a one time dose of IVP fentanyl 50mcgs to break the pain she was in since the morphine didnt help and to hold her while I was setting up the PCA. So I gave her the fentanyl and toradol and just after that she said she was feeling a bit better. I gave her the PCA and about an hour and 15 minutes after I set it up for her she was up and sitting in a chair watching TV and drinking cranberry juice where before she was clenching the rails looking(and feeling I am sure) like death warmed over. She was smiling and thanked me and reported her pain down to 3 when it was a 9 before.

Now this is where the trouble started. My co-worker came back shortly after 3:00 to finish the rest of her shift. I gave her report and of course told her about her sickle cell patient how the morphine wasn't working and how I got her a PCA. My co-worker went ballistic on me. She told me this patient was a known drug seeker and scammer how she comes in the hospital all the time for narcotics and 3 hots and a cot and she was going to do everything in her power to get the PCA d/c because she wasn't going to cater to this addict when she had other patients with real problems to deal with. She was also mad that I didn't call her and consult with her about getting HER patients meds changed. I was just covering I should have just followed the med orders and she would be the one calling for order changes not me.

Am I losing it or am I really in the wrong here? This patient was obviously in genuine pain and with a sickle cell diagnosis I would rather treat faked pain then not treat potentially real pain. Also she didn't say one word about this patient being a seeker. She actually asked me to give her patient the morphine. I dont think anything is wrong with calling and getting a patients order changed that was visibly in distress. Its not like I was covering a lunch break. According to this nurse I should have made this poor patient wait 5 plus hours in excruciating pain for her to get back. I also didnt see any drug seeking red flags. She wasn't asking for any of the double D medications(demerol or dilaudid) she wasn't reporting 10 out of 10 pain while laughing on her phone and scarfing down trays of food and her HR was 110..she was in pain.

What would you have done? Would you have waited for your co-worker to get back or would you have called for a different order?

You did the right thing but her behavior makes me think that maybe your co-worker is the addict and has been stealing the patient's morphine for herself (I've witnessed this in previous hospital jobs I've held). She might be furious that the PCA won't require her to get narcs every 1-2 hrs. Just a thought.

Specializes in LTC, assisted living, med-surg, psych.

I agree with the previous posters. You did everything exactly right and advocated for YOUR patient like nurses are supposed to. Don't let the other nurse undermine you, and don't take it personally (though I know it's hard not to). She wasn't there for the patients, you were. Good work!

Oh, wow – that other nurse was so wrong! Every nurse should understand that sickle cell crises are extremely painful. And the crises happen frequently and unexpectedly, especially for a young girl who is going through adolescence. This other nurse is being judgmental and isn't treating the patient right. It sounds like she doesn't understand the patho of sickle cell anemia at all...maybe she needs to read up on it.

Here's an awesome case study that proves our point. It talks nurses undertreating adolescents for sickle cell pain.

Medscape: Medscape Access

[h=1]Managing Pain in Teenagers With Sickle Cell Disease by Cynthia Fletcher, PhD, RN [/h]

Specializes in PACU, pre/postoperative, ortho.
You did the right thing but her behavior makes me think that maybe your co-worker is the addict and has been stealing the patient's morphine for herself (I've witnessed this in previous hospital jobs I've held). She might be furious that the PCA won't require her to get narcs every 1-2 hrs. Just a thought.

That didn't even occur to me but sounds totally plausible given her strong negative reaction to the PCA order. Things that make you go hmmm....

Specializes in Med-Surg/Neuro/Oncology floor nursing..
You did the right thing but her behavior makes me think that maybe your co-worker is the addict and has been stealing the patient's morphine for herself (I've witnessed this in previous hospital jobs I've held). She might be furious that the PCA won't require her to get narcs every 1-2 hrs. Just a thought.

You know that really is a very good point. A case of let me point my finger at this patient before the fingers are pointed at me. I was also wondering why she didn't try to get the order changed. Q2hr dosing is a lot and takes up a lot of time. We get regular med-surg overflow patients all the time and anyone with dosing that frequently gets a PCA for the most part especially sicklers as we know they have huge amounts of constant pain. It really makes me think too because when I have her that one time fentanyl dose of 50mcg she said she was feeling a bit better where as the morphine 6mgs didn't touch her. 50mcgs of fentanyl is roughly equivalent to 6 of morphine. Makes me think she was skimming some of that morphine for herself that's why the patient reported zero relief. She obviously wasn't being difficult otherwise she would have said the fentanyl did nothing as well. Of course this is all speculation but it sure makes me wonder now.

Specializes in Med-Surg/Neuro/Oncology floor nursing..
Oh, wow – that other nurse was so wrong! Every nurse should understand that sickle cell crises are extremely painful. And the crises happen frequently and unexpectedly, especially for a young girl who is going through adolescence. This other nurse is being judgmental and isn't treating the patient right. It sounds like she doesn't understand the patho of sickle cell anemia at all...maybe she needs to read up on it.

Here's an awesome case study that proves our point. It talks nurses undertreating adolescents for sickle cell pain.

Medscape: Medscape Access

[h=1]Managing Pain in Teenagers With Sickle Cell Disease by Cynthia Fletcher, PhD, RN [/h]

Thanks for the article I am definitely going to check it out. Being an inner-city hospital with a huge amount of SCC patients I get young people on my floor all the time with the disease. Luckily the doctors have experience with these patients so they usually get the doses of meds they need. If not a phone call is all that is needed and the docs adjust the meds. They usually throw in a long acting opiate and some kind of benzo and benadryl to help them relax and sleep. Sometimes anxiety can make pain worse and a dose of ativan or valium can really be a great adjuvant to the opiates.

Not sure what state you are practicing in, but here in Oregon we have a state mandated requirement that nurses MUST treat patients pain and believe what the patients say about their pain. Nurses allowing personal bias to infuence their view and treatment of a patient's pain is so wrong. We are to listen and treat and in many cases ADVOCATE with the MD for better pain control. There is also much to learn regarding the addict patient and their different needs for pain relief. The addicted patient may already have chronic pain management that is ongoing, and now be suffering with acute pain which requires a different approach for relief. The sickle cell patient will most likely already be taking something for chronic pain. YOU did that patient a favor as your "friend" obviously does not have much of a critical thought in her brain. My guess is that she was upset that it was YOU and not her who made this patient feel better. You made the right choice doing what you did and unfortunately your friend is clueless and immature in her nursing judgment.

Sujan, MSN, RN

Specializes in SICU, trauma, neuro.

If I had my capillaries occluded, I imagine I would be seeking drugs too. BECAUSE THAT HURTS!!!!!

That other nurse needs some serious remedial education.

Excellent work, Nurse. :nurse:

Specializes in Psych, Peds, Education, Infection Control.

To me, it sounds like a patient in real pain was properly treated. If she were an addict, she still deserves to have her pain properly treated. The other nurse's reaction sounds a lot like the "well, they're a psych patient, so their medical problems can't possibly be real" crap I see a lot from a local ER. Drives me up the wall.

Specializes in Mental Health, Gerontology, Palliative.

I think your co worker needs to get the hell over herself personally.

You advocated for someone in your care who was in pain, and as a result their pain was adequately managed.

I recall a similar situation when I was a student. Patient had arterial ulcers and as a result was in alot of pain. Also had a history of high ETOH use. I would ask my preceptor Mr Such and Such needs pain relief and the response would be "oh well hes an alcoholic". I was really lucky as a student I could say sort of act naive and get him the pain relief citing that i needed the practice.

The difference when his pain was adequately managed, he would be sitting up in bed, reading his book, talking to his neighbour. When his pain wasnt well managed, he was basically curled up into a tiny ball and not moving

Good on you for advocating for the patient

Specializes in SICU, trauma, neuro.

Oh, forgot my anecdote. Early in my career I cared for a SS pt who in the hospital received 20mg IV Dilaudid q 2 hrs. Yes, you read that right. Twenty. AND 50mg IV Benadryl q 4hrs.

It's a physiological fact that tolerance happens, and the thought of these people being subjected to that incompetence makes me extremely sad.

Specializes in NICU.

I echo what everyone else has said.

1. This nurse reported off to you, therefore the patient is now in YOUR care and YOU are responsible for them. Which means it is your judgement call on how to respond to, assess and treat said patient!

2. Is this nurse in the patient's body? How do they know what pain the patient feels or not? I always treated pain when I worked with adults..."drug seeking" behavior or not.

3. I think you did the right thing in advocating for your patient without judgment, and I believe this nurse should be reported.

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