I know this is a problem other places too..I just need to get it out of my system before I explode! So ignore if you like :wink2:
I am in a small local community college. I just started so I have to go back to the basics, which means A&P, but our school is seperated by program types from the start. (Meaning you are a nursing student even though you are taking prereqs)
Our college also participates in a welfare program with the state. The program is after so long, you either work or go to school, or you get no money for welfare. Soooo you can imagine what kind of people this school pulls in.
Our A&P class consists of MA, Dental Assistants, billers and coders, and nurses of course. These non nurse programs draw most of these people that are forced into the program because they do not want to work. I can not believe how rude they are! I have experienced them answering their cell phones in the middle of lecture, cheating on tests, getting up and leaving, leaving for the rest of the day, coming in late...and talking ALL THE FREAKING TIME! The other day I counted in hour 13 times people got up and left the room!!! :banghead:This doesnt count the times that some of them returned. You are talking people walking in and out approx 20 times!! Of course none of these people were nursing students...it seems our students know the importance of this program.
A few of us were walking out of class the other day and it was mentioned to the instructor and she said she knew and that there was not much she could do because she could not tell who all it was because it would happen so fast. She said that we will probably have the same students in our A&PII class too(those that dont fail that is).
So the next day we come in and on the wipe board is a big sign. She had changed it so that there is now assigned seats!!! UGHHHHH.. Im not complaining because I know she HAD to do it in order to keep track of everyone that decided to leave. It is just so frustrating that ADULTS have to be reduced to assigned seats. Freaking people care less about their education!
Ok Im done ranting....Oh yeah by the way...this is the first time I ever started a post!! LOL And I do it by complaining.:chuckle
For what it's worth - my experience is the opposite. I've taken classes at a community college and at a highly respected university. I was so surprised at how juvenile students would act in class at the university. Often, I couldn't even hear the professor over all the students' talking. Also, they were frequently disrespectful to professors and grad students.
In contrast, I never experienced this at my community college. Students at the community college seem much more serious about their academic work, and grateful to be there.
i agree, i am attending community college and it is mostly people in there mid to late 20's and everyone there seems to be there to learn and value the time in class
i hadn't read the full thread when made last post. i totally understand what you are talking about, before i toke on the endeuer of going back to school for to be anurse i went to cosmetology school we had the exact same kind of people only there because they are forced to be there for the "benefits" i thought it was awful then and still do. and for the cell phones that is wrong to and it makes for a very difficult time trying to learn. thankfully and my cc this is not the case. good luck to you!
You know what? I understand you are here to VENT....that's part of what we allow everyone to do here. But, by just putting it out there and expecting everyone else to agree with you(which I believe you are doing) that's a whole other story. Yes, the people in class with you should be behaving better. yes, just because you are on "the system" same as them, we know you behave better. You cannot control other's actions, only the way that they affect you.
Personally, I believe that you probably should be on an.com a lot longer before you go saying that some of us don't "get it" in terms of what you're saying. Daytonite is a wealth of information and knowledge(see any of her 9000 plus posts). You and your 5 posts might benefit from more interaction on the forum as you get to know us.
If you feel that this place is NOT what you are looking for, I'm sorry. It is a wealth of information, and I don't know how I would have made it through school without the knowledge and support of fellow posters.
And, personally? I don't plan on going away, just because I graduated yesterday.
If you leave......well, don't let the door hit ya where the lord split ya.
There are several posters here that just arent getting it..I am not complaining about people on the system in general..I am complaining about the RUDE people that abuse the system. There are 2 of us in my nursing class that I know of that are single moms on the system trying to better themselves...we do not act like this! I NEVER said it was all..in fact on several posts I said that it was MOST.
Drosagain,
I am sympathetic to your situation. What you describe happening in your classes is really bad. My contention was with one poster who generalized bad behavior and lack of professionalism to community colleges in general.
I am sorry but if they are trying to better their life, then why are they answering the phone in the middle of lecture...coming and going...and talking to those friends around them?
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Actually, what was said was,
... or you get no money for welfare. Soooo you can imagine what kind of people this school pulls in.
And I responded to what YOU said in that statement. That's why I quoted THAT statement.
The issue about people being rude, inconsiderate and talking on the phone probably has NOTHING to do with people being on welfare.
I don't care why they are in school, they are in school. Even if they are in school to get more money, I don't care. They ARE in school and they are going to be better for it. Kudos to them.
But, don't come on this site and get angry because people didn't agree with what you say.
If people are being rude, discuss it with the teacher after class. Send a note to the dean. And yes, feel free to vent it here.
But don't equate rudeness with poverty and then expect us to agree. Sorry.
This is a message board. That means you will get all kinds of opinions. Some you agree with, some you don't.
, I don't plan on going away, just because I graduated yesterday.
And I responded to what YOU said in that statement. That's why I quoted THAT statement.
The issue about people being rude, inconsiderate and talking on the phone probably has NOTHING to do with people being on welfare.
I don't care why they are in school, they are in school. Even if they are in school to get more money, I don't care. They ARE in school and they are going to be better for it. Kudos to them.
But, don't come on this site and get angry because people didn't agree with what you say.
If people are being rude, discuss it with the teacher after class. Send a note to the dean. And yes, feel free to vent it here.
But don't equate rudeness with poverty and then expect us to agree. Sorry.
This is a message board. That means you will get all kinds of opinions. Some you agree with, some you don't.
Congrats! :balloons:
Couldn't have said it better. Dro if you getting assistance, then how can you judge the other students? You can't you're there bettering yourself and so they maybe too. You are there to get an education not to worry about what they are doing. "Don't judge lest ye be judged."
I'm a single mom with 2 children so I qualify for grants, but still have to save for books and part of my classes. I rarely leave the class, but if Mother Nature calls, I get up quietly and just as quietly close the door behind me. Yes, I'm an adult and I leave my phone on vibrate. Although, I am considerate enough to tell what few friends I have not to call and not leave my phone on the table to vibrate to everyone within a 20 feet radius. But, being a single mom with no family in the area, I need to be able to see if my children's school is calling for a sick child. If I am offending anyone, I haven't heard a peep. I always tell my instructor that I need to have it on but its always clipped onto me, so it really doesn't bother anyone. None of my instructors have ever said anything negative and they all have been very understanding. I have never gotten a call that I had to take in the 3 years I've been a NS.
I have had students forget to turn their phone to vibrate, but once it rings, they apologize and leave the room.
If I'm bothered by some students, I sit in the front of the room so I can hear and see the instructor. I don't know anyone elses circumstances, but I hope that they have legit reasons for walking out, talking on their phone, etc.
NRSKarenRN, you are so right....i think that the lack of respect during class is a direct reflection of the insrtuctor. When i was in school all i ever heard from instructors was..."if you don't make it there are plenty more waiting to take your place." Now although telling students this line of bu--- is not right it is correct and unfortunately the wrong type of people get into hard to get classes.As a result people whom have waited a long time to are pushed to the side. But drosagain keep yourself on track by being positive, these KIDS who are playing games in class will not make it in the end. I know it's hard but try to tune it out.
1st. To the poster who said that a person doesn't need to be tied to a cell phone 24/7..... so NOT true. My CC has it posted in the student manual that they cannot take messages, phone calls or find anyone in the event of emergency. Our campus is just too big and it cannot be done. I have 3 children, and two of them have asthma. I have had to meet the ambulance at the school in the past, and being disconnected for even an hour or two could mean a lot to my family.
2nd. I guess I am lucky because my CC has been pretty good. I have seen a few students here and there who have been careless with their education, but it hasn't been bad. It's been mainly younger people in the general ed courses (english, algebra, speech etc). Once I started the science, and major science courses everyone in the class is major serious. We actually fight to show up the earliest to try to get the front row. The professors know, and can see how serious everyone is and they do not have a problem if we need to leave to go to the bathroom etc. They realize if we are going its because we NEED, and not because we want to.
3rd. I am from Texas, and the welfare system is horrible here. I left a domestic violence situation and needed help. They do not consider getting an education a worthwhile endevor here. I get very minimal help because I go to school, and they don't consider that as something they want to promote. They have welfare to work, and you must either work FULL-TIME, be working toward a GED, or take a 3 month certificate program to get maximum help. If you choose to work toward a degree you are on your own except for minimal food stamps. The only way I have been able to do this is to move back home, have family help me out, and sacrifice a lot as well as gets grants, and loans.
I think it's great your state allows education for its welfare clients. I do believe they need to have some sort way to try to weed out the ones who are serious, and those who are wasting time. I have been to the welfare office, and there are people like me there who you can tell are in a bad situation and trying to make things better. Then again there are those who ARE a bad situation (and you guys know what I mean). Without a weeding out process I can imagine the classes would be insane, and possible even unsafe. I have even seen fists fights break out at the welfare office because someone didn't like the color of someone's tennis shoes.
The other day I counted in hour 13 times people got up and left the room!!! :banghead:This doesnt count the times that some of them returned. You are talking people walking in and out approx 20 times!! Of course none of these people were nursing students...it seems our students know the importance of this program.
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i agree, i am attending community college and it is mostly people in there mid to late 20's and everyone there seems to be there to learn and value the time in class