Valid Reasons To Not Get Vaccinated

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Whether you're in support of the COVID vaccine, against it,  or on the fence please use this particular thread to cite credible, evidence-based sources to share with everyone so we can engage in a discussion that revolves around LEARNING.  

I'll start:

The primary concerns I've shared with others have to do with how effective the vaccine is for those who have already been infected.  I've reviewed studies and reports in that regard.  There are medical professionals I've listened to that, in my personal opinion,  don't offer a definitive answer. 

Here are some links to 2 different, I'll start with just 2:

Cleveland Clinic Statement on Previous COVID-19 Infection Research

Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19 Vaccination — Kentucky, May–June 2021

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4 minutes ago, BostonFNP said:

This is utter BS. Vaccination mandates date back to the 1800s. It’s not about protecting a product it’s about protecting people, our people, as well as our economy, budget, employment, etc. 

I don't CARE! IT'S NOT ABOUT PROTECTING PEOPLE!! It's about CONTROLLING people! Hide behind the government all you want. We see you.

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Let natural selection do its job, I say …

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9 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

Back in the 19 thirties, many people were given a similar ultimatum. Remember your history, or reap the same fate. 

Do you know your history? Let’s keep it on topic, you just cheapen yourself when you sink to this junk. 
We can land 30 years prior in 1905, Jacobson v Massachusetts. 

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8 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

I don't CARE! IT'S NOT ABOUT PROTECTING PEOPLE!! It's about CONTROLLING people! Hide behind the government all you want. We see you.

Yes, it’s a international conspiracy of hundreds of thousands of otherwise unconnected people in government and healthcare with the secret purpose of controlling a portion of the population here in this country. And the only effect of that control is less people die, the people they are forcing to control.  
 

If you can’t see how crazy that sounds you should surrender your license. 

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1 hour ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

I don't CARE! IT'S NOT ABOUT PROTECTING PEOPLE!! It's about CONTROLLING people! Hide behind the government all you want. We see you.

I'm required to perform hand hygiene to reduce the risk of spreading infections to patients, is that not about protecting people, but about controlling people?

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2 hours ago, jive turkey said:

They're using the word "choice" to justify having a rigid perspective about the issue. 

Whether or not it's a choice isn't as an important as what are the choices. 

I think people are failing to see the bigger picture here.  Today its the covid vaccine, but what about tomorrow? We risk setting a trend of using jobs, retirement plans, shopping, dining and travel to manipulate someone to accept a product. 

Tell that to the kids in California whose unvaccinated teacher just infected a lot of them! 

If I was a parent, I wouldn't even wait for them to get sick, I'd be filing charges against both the teacher, the school and the board! 

Stupidity should never be rewarded or excused! Make an example and make people understand the cost of freedom! 

I have traveled extensively and it's only in this country that people take their freedoms for granted. We speak loudly, laugh loudly, eat noisily and are generally inconsiderate of others. We need to start thinking about how our behaviors affect others before we engage in our 'freedoms' 

Did she think about the children before going into the classroom? 

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17 hours ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

I don't CARE! IT'S NOT ABOUT PROTECTING PEOPLE!! It's about CONTROLLING people! Hide behind the government all you want. We see you. 

Why don't you drive through the red lights? We all understand that without rules there would be chaos and what's worse it's the unthinking like you that could never function without rules! 

If you don't like the rules of society, GET OUT! 

REMOVE YOURSELF FROM SOCIETY! 

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3 minutes ago, Curious1997 said:

 

"I have traveled extensively and it's only in this country that people take their freedoms for granted. We speak loudly, laugh loudly, eat noisily and are generally inconsiderate of others. We need to start thinking about how our behaviors affect others before we engage in our 'freedoms' 

I have to disagree. I was in Spain. This British or scottish person made an incredible scene, upset about his food. I've never seen an American screeching and whining about a menu item (other than in the internet of course). LOL. Most Americans I know are incredibly low key and respectful. Most Europeans are too actually. I find every country has it's group of A holes. 

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51 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

"I have traveled extensively and it's only in this country that people take their freedoms for granted. We speak loudly, laugh loudly, eat noisily and are generally inconsiderate of others. We need to start thinking about how our behaviors affect others before we engage in our 'freedoms' 

I have to disagree. I was in Spain. This British or scottish person made an incredible scene, upset about his food. I've never seen an American screeching and whining about a menu item (other than in the internet of course). LOL. Most Americans I know are incredibly low key and respectful. Most Europeans are too actually. I find every country has it's group of A holes. 

I think you really missed the point! 

It's about being inconsiderate re vaccines and Covid. The teacher only thought about herself instead about the innocent kids in charge! Nothing gives you a bye when it comes to children or as a man, women as well! 

If we consider each other's needs, there would be very little nastiness in the world! 

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2 hours ago, BostonFNP said:

This is utter BS. Vaccination mandates date back to the 1800s. It’s not about protecting a product it’s about protecting people, our people, as well as our economy, budget, employment, etc. 

What's "utter BS" is how anytime you and several others here are presented with a diferent viewpoint you lose your cool and respond with inflammatory language. 

Let me tell you several other things that are "utter BS"?

People looking at this issue through toilet paper rolls.  It's not just about the vaccine. 

Talking about vaccines like they're all the same and the strategy should be the same using "we did it like this since the 1800s" as an argument.  

Acting like there's no profit motive behind drugs that risk corruption. We should just take our jabs n shut up,  the government is always looking out for our individual best interest.  When the CDC and pharmaceutical companies are putting patents on viruses you gotta ask questions and be concerned. Maybe innocent, maybe not. 

Shunning anyone that doubts or is willing to challenge authority. Vaccine passport, you serious?

I believe many people behind the push for vaccines are doing so for the right reasons.  I KNOW it can help.  I don't beleive anytime someone has a concern you don't agree with you need to call it "utter BS". Saying you "totally disagree" like before was enough. 

Come correct or don't quote me  

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1 hour ago, MunoRN said:

I'm required to perform hand hygiene to reduce the risk of spreading infections to patients, is that not about protecting people, but about controlling people?

We didn't just  learn the effects of handwashing 9 months ago.  

You are not injecting washing in your body.  

Everyone agrees there are requirements to do the job safely.  Not all things are the same Munro. You can't equate hand washing to injectables. 

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7 hours ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

I don't CARE! IT'S NOT ABOUT PROTECTING PEOPLE!! It's about CONTROLLING people! Hide behind the government all you want. We see you.

Sometimes I wonder if you folks are suffering from a form of OCD manifesting as a political release, as religion is sometimes apt to be?

OCD is frequently the result of trauma that was relieved by the repetitive behavior or words etc. It's not productive. I've noticed antivaxxers, religious and Republicans etc, exhibit the same tendencies. Irrational thoughts with little basis in reality triggered by a catalyst of a person or a message, that resonates and amplifies their insecurities. It exemplifies delusional content. 

Just as a psychotic person can manipulate reality to suit the delusional content to rationalize the narrative, I see exactly the same behaviors in anti vaxxers, religious and right wingers! No offense intended, but the intelligence factor must be questioned. Lower, minimally educated social classes exhibit the same tendencies to make sense of their world, as does manipulative people shaping narratives. 

It's why they promote their agendas to the gullible. Ivermectin, the most recent example! The same crowd who gave credence to sunlight and bleach and HCQ etc. Gullible! Believe information from the most obviously corrupt people! The limited range to express their frustrations, except through anger or violence. The relief to accept doubling down as a viable alternative, instead of trying reality, because they don't care about their credibility. 

All pathological expressions! 

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