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1 minute ago, Oldmahubbard said:

There are parts of this country, the red states, where I just wouldn't live, for many reasons.

Religious beliefs elevates some people, and makes others into despots.

It seems unfair, but my advice to folks who are not comfortable there, is to work on moving.

60 years later, we still have African American people being shot by police for some minor infraction, or no infraction at all.

I am convinced that when Christianity is booted out of our country, bigotry against LGBTQ patients will drop significantly.

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16 minutes ago, vetpharmtech said:

I am convinced that when Christianity is booted out of our country, bigotry against LGBTQ patients will drop significantly.

Why would a country founded on religious freedom boot a religion from it's borders

 

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The situation is sad. I was a deaconess in a church more than 10 years ago, and I gave a fairly large monthly donation for several years. 

The pastor then became very anti-gay, literally screaming about it every week,  and I resigned.

That was 2005.

Strange how sexuality still seems to be the main divisive issue.

Meanwhile, priests and pastors are often the perpetrators.

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4 hours ago, hppygr8ful said:

Why would a country founded on religious freedom boot a religion from it's borders

 

I don't want the government to kick Christianity out of our country. People need to wake up and make a choice: worshiping a barbaric deity like Yahweh and obeying the insanity he proposed in the Bible or treating people as they want to be treated without religious excuses. They need to make a conscious choice about their religious view without coercion.

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4 hours ago, Oldmahubbard said:

The situation is sad. I was a deaconess in a church more than 10 years ago, and I gave a fairly large monthly donation for several years. 

The pastor then became very anti-gay, literally screaming about it every week,  and I resigned.

That was 2005.

Strange how sexuality still seems to be the main divisive issue.

Meanwhile, priests and pastors are often the perpetrators.

Sexual scandals in the Christian church may not be motivated by the Bible. Homophobia and transphobia are definitely rooted in that book.

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55 minutes ago, vetpharmtech said:

I don't want the government to kick Christianity out of our country. People need to wake up and make a choice: worshiping a barbaric deity like Yahweh and obeying the insanity he proposed in the Bible or treating people as they want to be treated without religious excuses. They need to make a conscious choice about their religious view without coercion.

First of all if you believe you know that the bible was written in many phases. The first phrase "The old testament" which affirmed Yahweh's contract with the Jewish people. Was originally written in Hebrew with later translations in Greek, Latin and various European languages. Much of the Hebrew cannot be translated directly. But it is not full of intolerance for homosexuality. There are three passages from the Old Testament are: Genesis 19 (Sodom and Gomorrah) Ezkiel 16: 49 also deals with this topic but does not say anything specific about Homosexuality. Leviticus is also used to justify all kinds of discrimination but does not directly address homosexuality  in the context of today's understanding of gender. 

The last three mentions in the bible are in the New Testament that mention Homosexuality are Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 and 1 Timothy1:10.

The Old testament was originally written in Greek and the Greek language of the time had no word for homosexuality. So who knows what they really meant.

While I non-longer consider myself a Christian I am fascinated with the study of religion and history.

Study of the religious works leads to better understanding.

Hppy

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1 hour ago, vetpharmtech said:

I don't want the government to kick Christianity out of our country. People need to wake up and make a choice: worshiping a barbaric deity like Yahweh and obeying the insanity he proposed in the Bible or treating people as they want to be treated without religious excuses. They need to make a conscious choice about their religious view without coercion.

I find this ironic considering the thread is about concience exceptions and some "medicine" is barbaric: https://www.mrctv.org/videos/warning-graphic-partial-birth-abortion-filmed

Do those of you against a conscience clause think religious hospitals doctors and nurses are obliged to provide abortion and assisted suicide regardless of conscientious objection? That is what the conscience rule is about- not homosexuality https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/02/upshot/conscience-rule-trump-religious-exemption-health-care.html

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14 hours ago, hppygr8ful said:

...this was the oath I took when I became a Registered nurse:

"I solemnly pledge myself before God and in the presence of this assembly, to pass my life in purity and to practice my profession faithfully. I will abstain from whatever is deleterious and mischievous, and will not take or knowingly administer any harmful drug. I will do all in my power to maintain and elevate the standard of my profession, and will hold in confidence all personal matters committed to my keeping, and all family affairs coming to my knowledge in the practice of my calling. With loyalty will I endeavor to aid the physician in his work, and devote myself to the welfare of those committed to my care."

There is no proviso at the end - Unless I disagree with their lifestyle/choices etc...….

 

Thank you for this reminder of what nursing really is all about at its core. 

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18 minutes ago, 2Ask said:

I find this ironic considering the thread is about concience exceptions and some "medicine" is barbaric: https://www.mrctv.org/videos/warning-graphic-partial-birth-abortion-filmed

Do those of you against a conscience clause think religious hospitals doctors and nurses are obliged to provide abortion and assisted suicide regardless of conscientious objection? That is what the conscience rule is about- not homosexuality https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/02/upshot/conscience-rule-trump-religious-exemption-health-care.html

LGBTQ is just one issue. You seem to forget Nicole Arteaga case at Walgreens pharmacy. How do you think women like her should deal with healthcare professionals who were like that pharmacist?

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18 minutes ago, 2Ask said:

I find this ironic considering the thread is about concience exceptions and some "medicine" is barbaric: https://www.mrctv.org/videos/warning-graphic-partial-birth-abortion-filmed

Do those of you against a conscience clause think religious hospitals doctors and nurses are obliged to provide abortion and assisted suicide regardless of conscientious objection? That is what the conscience rule is about- not homosexuality https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/02/upshot/conscience-rule-trump-religious-exemption-health-care.html

Did you even read the article???? Yes it’s about abortion and assisted suicide but can cover anything anyone might have a religious objection to which often does include LGBT issues. And this can be for anyone including a receptionist. I’m sorry, if you hold such strong religious objections to potential issues like this, please do not go work in a health care career. My right to access health care should not be impeded by anyone’s religious beliefs. What you do for work is a CHOICE! Who you are is not and needing health care  (except in cases of people acting recklessly) is not a choice. And if we’re going to stop treating people because they acted recklessly well then what’s even the point.

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45 minutes ago, hppygr8ful said:

First of all if you believe you know that the bible was written in many phases. The first phrase "The old testament" which affirmed Yahweh's contract with the Jewish people. Was originally written in Hebrew with later translations in Greek, Latin and various European languages. Much of the Hebrew cannot be translated directly. But it is not full of intolerance for homosexuality. There are three passages from the Old Testament are: Genesis 19 (Sodom and Gomorrah) Ezkiel 16: 49 also deals with this topic but does not say anything specific about Homosexuality. Leviticus is also used to justify all kinds of discrimination but does not directly address homosexuality  in the context of today's understanding of gender. 

The last three mentions in the bible are in the New Testament that mention Homosexuality are Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 and 1 Timothy1:10.

The Old testament was originally written in Greek and the Greek language of the time had no word for homosexuality. So who knows what they really meant.

While I non-longer consider myself a Christian I am fascinated with the study of religion and history.

Study of the religious works leads to better understanding.

Hppy

The Hebrew testament was not written in Greek.

That is besides the point. Ordinary people do not read the Bible in the context of the time it was written. They take the words in it as if they were literally from the supreme being of the universe. Nothing is scarier than a religious person who really believes that he knows what god thinks.

If people simply take the Bible and Koran as academic study, we would not have to have this conversation about religious conscience.

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On 6/20/2019 at 3:54 PM, hppygr8ful said:

I don't see it either! The law as it is written does not say Christians are exempt from performing these procedures. It says that anyone who has a moral or ethical conflict can recuse themselves. There are many ethical non religious reasons why someone might not want to participate in an abortion, vaccines, gender reassignment surgery etc...… It does not mean they are religious zealots. So let's quit with the religious name calling. 

 

Please. Where is the "religious name calling"? I *am* a Christian, which is why I specifically referenced it in my question.

I understand very well that the Bible was written by mere mortals. At that time, they didn't understand that so much regarding sexual orientation, gender identity, etc. is highly influenced by biology, so I can cut the authors some slack. We now know better, yet many Christians continue to reference the Bible when working actively to deny LGBTQ people equal rights, or work actively to push legislation through that would allow people to use religion in order to justify discrimination or intolerance. 

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