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This is exactly how I feel each time I log into the International Forum. I don't feel welcome as a foreign born nurse. I don't feel respected as a minority in this country. All I feel is the hatred and insults thrown at us simply because we are not Americans.

So let's talk about it, since threads were locked and posts were deleted because they were "out of the topic" hence we could not freely express and justify how we feel about the criticisms on foreign born and/or foreign trained nurses. Each and every time I read something that "put down" certain minorities, it makes me feel sick to my stomach. Being discriminated all my life, I truly understand how other foreign nurses, especially the Filipino nurses, feel. No, you simply won't understand if you were not in our shoes.

Every one has his/her point of view on certain issues, but attacking, criticizing and (worst) making generalizations of other races, cultures and beliefs is just not right, insensitive and ethnocentric. Yes, we are immigrants, but you don't have to yell it to our face. The US would not have prosper if not for the immigrants. Don't forget your family or ancestors were once immigrants as well, unless you are Native Americans. So you have no rights to ask us get out if we are legally here, unless this is your native land. Remember, America is the land of opportunity that were built through slavery from Africa and Asia.

I wonder sometimes, how could you be a professional nurse if you are culturally insensitive? How could you offer the best care if all you think is your own self and your own beliefs, and disregard other culture and belief systems? I see nurses here with 30 plus years of experience do not practice the basic fundamental of nursing. Maybe they should go back to square one and learn it from Potter and Perry.

This IS an International forum. This forum is for every one regardless of age, gender, color, etc. If you say something culturally insensitive in other forum, maybe we will think that you are just plain stupid or has never been out of the country. But, if you are persistently saying something that insult and disgrace other cultures, races, nationality and etc, I think something should be done by the moderators...unless the moderators themselves are not sensitive enough on this issue as well.

Well, Merry Christmas everyone (no, I'm not Christian...but I know many are here) and thank you for listening.

I think those who don't know the whole situation should just stay away from this thread.

The grievances being expressed by some members here are legit and these are regular members that has spent considerable time in the Int'l and Philippine forum. Majority of them have been members for years and regularly visits these specific forums, so I think they know what they are saying more than people who have just become a member very recently or members who only occasional visits these forums.

Also, take time to consider that many members from diff. nationalities have observed this as well and not just one race trying to defend themselves. And they are REAL members.

I, too have observed what they are complaining about. For those who don't me, since there are many new members and old members that only occasionally or seldom posts in the Int'l forum I have been a member of AN for more than 3 years now and 2 out of those 3 years as a moderator here in the Int'l forum and Phil. forum. So, I think I also know what I am talking about as well. While I was a moderator here, I concentrated on the Main Int'l forum and the Phil. forum (and visit it almost everyday while I was a mod) so I know the regular members here and those who only occasional come here and basically butt-in on threads they either don't know about or know little of or only know part of the whole story. Best, you don't join in this time around, if only just for this thread.

The situation has been going-on for months now. Sorry, but I find it hard that no member of the Staff don't know of this.

Please share what you find offensive?

the language barrier...but I am speaking more about patients here than nurses.

i don't think where you got your education makes a hill of difference. The foreign nurses I have worked with I didn't know where foreign unless they told me and then again I didnt' think anything of where they went to school.

I personally think the only thing that really bothers me about foreigners. Is that they can come here to America, get a college education/degree for free and return to there homeland and use the degree they earned here in America. I know it's not there fault and that it's our government that offers that to them. But that's a whole other topic to be discussed.

FTR I don't think any nurse is incompetent unless i have worked with them and then again that is only my opinion and my opinion doesn't mean a hill O beans to anyone.

That's all it is really......... an opinion.

Specializes in ER.
Greetings everyone... Although this is my first post, this is not my first visit to Allnurses. I guess you can say I am one of those "lurkers". I find this website extremely beneficial to ALL nurses and for those who wish to be nurses no matter where they live.

Why has this particular International post caught my interest? A little background about my self. I am an American citizen, with an American father and filipino mother. I have been afforded the opportunity to live overseas while growing up and I have always said those were one of the best times of my life. But America is where my home is now. This forum interests me because I come from a family of nurses on my father's side and on my mother's side. I have relatives who are RNs in America and in the Philippines. I am so proud of all of them and their accomplishments and I can only hope that one day I will be able to join the proud group of nurses. You see my life has taken me on many different paths, and now that I am "older and wiser" I am on the road to finish what I have started many moons ago. I recently became a CNA while taking up my pre-req's for nursing. I have also worked as an MA for 5 years.

There seems to be hard feelings among some of the nurses here. Part of the sensitivity could very well be cultural. I have read hours of posts about nurses wanting to come to the United States to work. I have also read hours of responses from members and moderators on what the present situation is in our country. I can understand why many filipinos want to leave the Philippines to pursue their own American dream, but I also see how many Americans are struggling to live their own dreams. I feel that the members and moderators have done an excellent job in trying to explain in the best and most sensitive way. It is not about Americans vs. Foreign Nurses it is about reality. There are so many nurse graduates in the Philippines and not enough visas to support all those nurses. There are unemployed nurses in the U.S. who must/ need to support their families. Sometimes the grass isn't always greener on the other side of the fence. Because there are many unemployed RN's in the Philippines I believe that many would be resentful to American nurses if the Philippine government would allow them to practice nursing in the Philippines when there is an abundant supply of their own citizens to work.

Like many of the other posters I could not find any thing racist or discriminating against filipino nurses. Some times as humans we become sensitive to issues when we do not feel that one agrees with our issue. The only way one can make us feel discriminated is that if we allow them to. One day our borders will open up again to foreign nurses in the mean time we have to allow the U.S. government to take care of its citizens so that we can once again become prosperous and in turn jobs will be available not only to Americans but to anyone who wishes to come to America to work.

Blessings to ALL nurses :redbeathe

All I can say is what an eloquent first post!:yeah:

Specializes in Med-Surg, Trauma, Ortho, Neuro, Cardiac.
The situation has been going-on for months now. Sorry, but I find it hard that no member of the Staff don't know of this.

Again, for the record, you of all people know this already, if you have concerns as to how things are moderated take it to Admin Help Desk.

I think those who don't know the whole situation should just stay away from this thread.

You're probably talking about me here since I'm not a regular poster in this forum, but I do know the Terms of Service. We haven't said their grievences weren't legit and shouldn't be expressed, which is why there is this non-nursing topic going on.

I promise we're going to try to be more fair and aware of this situation. Please continue to report.

I do think there might be some cultural differences because someone yesterday reported a post that they felt was offensive and I read it over and over, and many other mods read it and we just don't see it. No Terms of Service violation there. But it doesn't mean we aren't moderating. Some things without obvious TOS violations are allowed to remain.

Specializes in CTICU.
I personally think the only thing that really bothers me about foreigners. Is that they can come here to America, get a college education/degree for free and return to there homeland and use the degree they earned here in America.

Well gee, call me stupid but I'm paying a buttload for my graduate education here in America. Could you direct me to the schools that provide a free college education to foreigners like me? :confused:

well gee, call me stupid but i'm paying a buttload for my graduate education here in america. could you direct me to the schools that provide a free college education to foreigners like me? :confused:

http://www.edupass.org/finaid/[url=http://www.edupass.org/finaid/undergraduate.phtml][/url]

i belive you need a student visa to be eligible for some of these.

Specializes in CTICU.

There is nothing in there about a free college degree. That's talking about school which offer at least 1/5 tuition financial aid. As it is, international students do not qualify for federal aid or most loans. If having international students increases diversity in the student population - and the financial aid is "merit or need based" as per that link.. how can you not think that's a good thing?

If you check the link you posted, there are only a handful of school which even offer ANY assistance to international students.

Student visas offer nothing but the opportunity to enter the US to attend school. In fact, you may not even work more than 20 hrs ON CAMPUS to maintain a student visa.

Personally, I'm on a work visa and work fulltime, take 24/7 call 1 week out of 4, maintain a 4.0 GPA and am paying out of state tuition for my MSN.

Honestly, comments like yours just are not accurate or helpful, and just continue the negative perception of "foreigners" which this thread is talking about.

Again, for the record, you of all people know this already, if you have concerns as to how things are moderated take it to Admin Help Desk.

You're probably talking about me here since I'm not a regular poster in this forum, but I do know the Terms of Service. We haven't said their grievences weren't legit and shouldn't be expressed, which is why there is this non-nursing topic going on.

I wasn't talking about anyone in particular. It was a general comment, since may people are butting-in in this 'grievance thread' that was obviously allowed to go-on as it was already appropriately closed recently. It is not for anyone to say there aren't anything wrong going-on, whether it's so-called new members and even Staff.

And since the thread was allowed to go-on, I decided to put my posts here as well. I am still on-topic as far as I know and I am a regular member now just like anyone else that gave their grievances at this thread and literally being replied to by others that they find no merit to what they are saying.

I promise we're going to try to be more fair and aware of this situation. Please continue to report.

I do think there might be some cultural differences because someone yesterday reported a post that they felt was offensive and I read it over and over, and many other mods read it and we just don't see it. No Terms of Service violation there. But it doesn't mean we aren't moderating. Some things without obvious TOS violations are allowed to remain.

Well, maybe this the very reason why someone has made a public thread about it. Don't you think? If people (I am using a general term) keeps telling them publicly there aren't anything wrong then that just proves even more their point and more the reason for such a public thread such as this.

There's a reason why people resort to this.

sorry if I offended you, ghillbert that was not my intent. I never said I didn't think was a good thing. I just feel that it needs to be fair.

If you were to apply for a scholarship and I were to apply for the same scholarship at the same school as you. Do you think I would get the scholarship???

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http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_research97c0

Foreign students compete with Americans for financial aid.

According to the National Center for Education Statistics, 59 percent of all foreign graduate students receive financial aid, and 40 percent receive direct grants as opposed to loans which must be repaid.

I know I brought up the topic, but it really deserves a thread of it's own to be debated

Specializes in CTICU.

I'm not offended. I get frustrated by rhetoric.

Don't you think who wins the scholarship should depend on who is more qualified, not what nationality they are????

59% of foreign students get aid... compared to what, 100% of US students? What's your point?

Did you notice the next headline down on that website you posted?

"The foreign student system is an easy avenue of entry for foreign terrorists"

Yeah, okay. Let's get back to the topic of the thread. No, I haven't noticed any xenophobia whatsoever lately.... :banghead:

59% of foreign students get aid... compared to what, 100% of US students? What's your point?

Did you notice the next headline down on that website you posted?

"The foreign student system is an easy avenue of entry for foreign terrorists"

I don't get any aid. And I could use it! ;)

That title is a tad, uhm, inflammatory.

Specializes in Nurse Anesthetist.

Being a member of this site, I am raising my motion to suspend this thread until further review from the admin/moderators.

This thread has caused plenty of us be deeply emotional and infuriated.

Begging the Admins and moderators in the house to do something about this. The integrity of this forum will so much be at stake if left like this.

This has been the talk of the town lately by most of the forums out there and I assume you know well about this.

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